Insightful Solinsky Article

1. -he's not currently "injured"

2. -you have no basis for saying that he is currently in "terrible shape"

3. -yes, I would want him to run at trials if he is qualified to do so and if he has received an invitation

4. -there you go with that businesslike "career" crap again--if I want "businesslike" behavior, I'll go to a business; from a athletic competitor, I want athletic competitor-like behavior

5. -everything you said about why training through competition is not ideal, has its equivalent for why it IS ideal: competition pushes your body harder, forcing more and quicker adaptation and have unparalled training specificity; competing smartly and not necessarily going as hard as possible but implementing strategy smartly and progressively will result in no less training days at all; competing gets you race-smart and allows you to work on tactics in the best possible environment, and allows you to feel out those against whom you will be competing at trials

Some of you guys here are WAY too quick to jump the gun and tell somebody they know nothing about running.

Sprintf***er,

I'm not sure what's worse: your strange, pathological, almost Freudian obsession with Chris Solinsky, or the barely literate, overly wordy, endlessly repetitive, and insufferably banal manner in which you barf out your opinions onto this message board.. You really are an astonishingly bad writer for someone who has so much practice.

JRunnerJ--

Your post presumes that he would get through the prelim and into the final. Thank-you for that gift.

That would be a not-insubstantial measure of success, and would be worth the trip alone. It would absolutely have been the mark of a competitor, because in order for it to happen, he would have had to have COMPETED.

Your assumption that he would make it through to the final provides MORE support for the suggestion that he should have gone, not less.

Furthermore, if he is as great as everybody seems to think he is, to advance to the final would not have taken "race-effort running", as 13:40 made it in, and he already demonstrated that he was likely in 13:00 shape--and he therefore wouldn't have needed the "several days to recover" that you suggest he would have needed otherwise.

Finally, EVEN IF it would have taken "race-effort running", HE WOULD HAVE HAD THE SEVERAL DAYS TO RECOVER THAT YOU SUGGEST HE NEEDED.

The heats were run in the morning of Sept 1, and the final was run the night of Sept 4, giving an interval of 3.5 days, which is "several days".

Now let's see who has the open mind.

jimjamesrunner wrote:

On the other, it gets him hurt and also disliked by many running fans for not living up to his own hype. I'm not a big Solinsky fan, but there's not a lot of valid shit talk the message board posters can do over the fastest white man over 10k and and 5k combined of all time up to this point.

Second fastest combined, but point still stands.

Rupp

26:48.00

13:06.86

= 39:54.86

Solinksy

26:59.60

12:55.53

= 39:55.06

Sprintgeezer wrote:

"a sprint"? WTF are you talking about?

And are you saying that he was fine in Monaco until 2 laps remaining at which time he encountered a problem, and then faked getting bumped off the track so that he could bail and blame it on somebody else? If he was ailing, why not just bail and take a knee, or better yet get wheeled off the track like people who are ACTUALLY injured?

Oh my, are you correcting grammar?

Nobody runs fast in a sprint EVENT because of guts.

I'm not saying he wasn't a p*ssy for DNF-ing that race. ALL I am talking about is the trials and this year. People who get wheeled of the track are mostly sprinters, distance runners have different injuries. Its not even remotely the same, but how would you know?

God, I just love commenting on your stupid sh*t. Have anyone in letsrun ever shown himself to have this little knowledge of running?

WTF ARE you talking about?

Are you suggesting that the 1500m, or even the 800m in which Webb has competed, are "sprint events"? Because if not, you post doesn't seem to make any sense.

And if you are suggesting that, BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

And I will interpret your lack of substantive response to my "competition as training" rebuttal as capitulation.

1. He is recovering from injury, but training.

2. I have. Unless you think he is super man and doesn't need the same amount of training that his competitors have?

3. He is not qualified, where have you been this year?

4. Nope, Its about "athlete-like" career. How to maximimize the time you have left? How to succed and produce the best results? In the end thats what matters, how to be able to produce the best times and races.

5. It is not ideal, or do you think the best troughtout the history is wrong? Secondly, you can train way harder than you can compete. Have you never trained hard? If you are close to 30, have been pro since HS its ridiculous to say that you need races to train your ability to run tactical. I know Webb is hilariously bad at it, but even he is not that stupid.

I'm not quick, I waited untily you clearly showed us how little you know about events longer than 400m.

1. He is recovering from injury, but training.

2. I have. Unless you think he is super man and doesn't need the same amount of training that his competitors have?

3. He is not qualified, where have you been this year?

4. Nope, Its about "athlete-like" career. How to maximimize the time you have left? How to succed and produce the best results? In the end thats what matters, how to be able to produce the best times and races.

5. It is not ideal (unless he actually trains after and doesn't give 100%, then its something differen), or do you think the best troughtout the history is wrong? Secondly, you can train way harder than you can compete. Have you never trained hard? If you are close to 30, have been pro since HS its ridiculous to say that you need races to train your ability to run tactical. I know Webb is hilariously bad at it, but even he is not that stupid.

I'm not quick, I waited untily you clearly showed us how little you know about events longer than 400m.

Sprintgeezer wrote:

WTF ARE you talking about?

Are you suggesting that the 1500m, or even the 800m in which Webb has competed, are "sprint events"? Because if not, you post doesn't seem to make any sense.

And if you are suggesting that, BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

And I will interpret your lack of substantive response to my "competition as training" rebuttal as capitulation.

Actually, that is my mistake. For a moment there I switched Webb with Gatlin and thought you were talking about guts when he was racing. So no, I'm not suggesting that, 800/1500 are clearly the most gutsy events of them all.

Capitulation because you lack patience? Typical troll.

Barakus--

Thanks for that. For a second I thought that you weren't merely disagreeing with me, but that you were actually insane or just a garbage troll!

Anyway, back to the more profitable disagreement...

1. If one believes that he had sustained an injury, that would be true, as everybody including myself knows. I win the point, but I will agree that it could be a minor point, depending on the nature of the injury versus the nature of the therapy.

2. You referred to his alleged "terrible shape" in the absolute, not in the relative. Stop being obfuscatory. Are you personally privy to his workouts and his perceived level of effort?

3. My comment stands unaffected by your comment. Stop being obfuscatory.

4. Right now, he is producing NO times, and NO races. The best races are run on the biggest stages, the WC's and Olympics. He has already missed the WC's in 2007 and 2011, and the Games in 2008 and 2012. He is not getting any younger, and he has allegedly had a serious injury which, even if healed, may prove debilitating enough in the future to remove him from the realm of the truly elite. The reasonable possibility of success of a "rational" consideration, plan, and execution thereof for the future, must be weighed against the reasonable possibility of success now, potentially at a fairly high cost.

NOBODY knows what the future will bring, least of all him.

That is where we differ--you would prefer he follow the earlier course of action, with all of its attendant uncertainties, and I would prefer he follow the latter course of action, with all of its potential perils.

The difference is that the former relies on DELIBERATION, and the latter on COURAGE.

Both courses are, in the abstract, worthy of respect--but once the game is afoot, things happen that make it apparent that one of the 2 courses of action is, or would have been, the better of the two.

Things like missing the 2012 Olympics AND the 2011 WC's. To me, but not to you, the better course was apparent already last year before he withdrew from WC's. I sensed with every fiber of my being that he would not be running in London, and I said so on this board. And I was correct. If he would have followed the path of courage, he would have raced in a WC, thereby "producing races", likely 2 races, something that you yourself suggested is one of the two things "that matter in the end".

So far, it looks as though both he and you have been wrong---but I do acknowledge that this storyline is not yet complete, and that there is plenty of time for a reversal of fortune. I've already opined that he won't be a serious factor in any serious competitions in the future, and I stick by that prediction. It's what I sense, and my sense of this trajectory has so far been accurate.

5. New competitors emerge, and you need to know how they run and how they are thinking, since you are not just competing against the clock. Plus, tactical ability can fade with time...use it, or lose it. And training after and not giving 100% is obviously EXACTLY what I was talking about, particularly with reference to Webb. Given Solinskrap's sponsor, it would have been easy for him to have gotten into some events that he could have used as training, with only training-type expectations.

Why do you care so much? The only explanation is that you are gay and beat off to videos of Solinsky running

Barakus Obama wrote:

1. He is recovering from injury, but training.

He actually tweeted the other day that he had his first pain free run in a long time. No pain before, during, or after. I guess since he's had one pain-free run, he should be good for the trials.

suburbanxcore wrote:

Barakus Obama wrote:

1. He is recovering from injury, but training.

He actually tweeted the other day that he had his first pain free run in a long time. No pain before, during, or after. I guess since he's had one pain-free run, he should be good for the trials.

Alrighty then!

See Geez? Hes pain free! He can WIN the olympics!

"I guess since he's had one pain-free run, he should be good for the trials."

Why, because nobody who has ever lined up in the history of trials has ever experienced any "pain" during their event?

Are you BEGINNING to understand why your standards of conduct aren't worthy of any athletic respect?

You're as ready as you are ready, the important thing is that you are PRESENT.

So he's "pain-free" right now, with a week left in March? All the more reason to do trials.

I can't believe you guys. Where do guys like you guys come from?

"He can WIN the olympics!"

Because guys like you, Gatlin, Johnson, White, Ramzi, Jones, Kenteris, Thanou, etc., etc., etc. are all about winning.

You really don't get it, do you?

Reading this thread again, it just occurred to me that in my ACL reconstruction I also had a muscle re-attached to the bone...my hamstring muscle. Not only that, they drilled through a bone and pulled the tendon around, after having clipped it off. I don't have screws, I have a series of staples that will be in there forever.

I'm not trying to directly compare 2 different surgeries--if, in fact, he had any surgery at all, and if he was injured at all--but I am indirectly comparing them. It's just funny that, yes, I also had my hamstring re-attached to the bone, while ALSO having a hole drilled in my bone, and having lost forever a naturally-occurring ligament.

I notice that Gay will be running in NYC this weekend, and that Solinskrap will not. Nobody expects miracles from Gay, all they expect is that he goes out there and tries.

And, being a real man, a real competitor, he will do just that.

Sprintgeezer wrote:

I notice that Gay will be running in NYC this weekend

The 5k or the 10k.

You stupid ignorant f*cktard, why do you keep bumping this thread? Is it because you like to see what levels of ignorance and stupidity you can reach?

Please go play in traffic and quit posting your pointless rants on LR.