HEPS track and field--OUTDOOR 2012

BRF · 2012-03-06T16:04:01-05:00

Yeah, I know that there's still a week(end) of indoor t&f remaining, but I figured it might be useful to preemptively get an outdoor thread started--otherwise some folks might start posting outdoor stuff on the indoor thread and we'd have two threads going (the way we did at the beginning of indoor, actually). I follow only the Cornell squads closely; but just looking at their rosters, it appears the Big Red will be valid contenders for both Heps outdoor titles. Here's a little preview of their prospects: The [b]men[/b] will likely miss Bruno Hortelano-Roig, who's prepping for the OG for Spain, but still have plenty of talent for the open sprints and 4x100 (which they won at last year's Heps without him). They should be okay in the 400 and 4x4, and more than hold their own in the middle distances. RoJo always seems to get about a half-dozen guys around 30min for the 10,000, and the Big Red should do some distance scoring in the outdoor meet--despite the Ivies' extraordinary level of talent in the longer events--though they may not have a contender in the steeple. All four jumps should continue productive for Cornell's men. They have a lot of firepower in the throws (remember that Mozia was mostly considered a discus man in high school!), though maybe with a hole in the javelin. They should be very strong in the high hurdles and decathlon, as demonstrated indoors, and return the men who went 1-2-4 in the 400H. Cornell's [b]women[/b] should also have great event coverage. Their prospects in the sprints are solid, though it appears they'll still be relying heavily on Hewitt in the shorter open races and 4x1; and their 400 depth, though it should again make them the favorites in the 4x4, has yet to produce a contender for individual honors. They should get more than their share of hurdles points, as well, with a chance to score very well (as usual) in the longer race. The Ivy middle- and longer-distance races will be crazy this year (the 4x800 could be extraordinary), but the Red have a wealth of talent there, including three of the top four returners in the steeple. They could also add some top athletes who raced sparingly, or not at all, indoors. The Big Red should have multiple scorers in each of the jumps, though perhaps not individual contenders in most. They're somewhat thin in the throws, but with very high-quality performers in most events should still score quite well. The heptathlon, which doesn't seem to have the participation that we see in their men's multi-event squad, is probably their only event that's of some concern. As indoors, the men's outdoor meet should be a Cornell-Princeton contest, with several squads aiming for the spoiler role that Columbia played at Barton Hall. Brown (third last year, with most of its scoring from underclassmen) and Harvard (with its top individual trackmen and throwing crew) could have a real tussle with the Lions. The champions? Too close to call. When the indoor season started, Princeton loomed as an easy Heps winner; Cornell ended up giving them all they could handle. Outdoors, I think the same situation obtains. For the women, there are once again multiple real contenders for the championship. Columbia should cover the outdoor events somewhat better than in previous years, and has the stars (do they get Hale back?) to repeat the indoor win. Virtually every other Ivy team, however, has to be given at least a chance for the women's win. Cornell (my narrow pick) will contend, but so should Princeton, particularly if they return to full strength. Harvard has the potential to score many points outdoors; Dartmouth could collect a lot of points in several events; Brown graduated some scorers from last year's third-place squad, but most return; and Penn graduated very few, and should surprise a lot of people. PS Is the outdoor squad limit 37? 39? Would someone please remind me?

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14 years ago 04/07/2012 9:53am EDT

re: kibitzer

Depends on the event. For the longer distance events, I think they allow no times but they don't really do too much in terms of seeds for those races. The seedings are bigger for the 1500 on down when you have semis and finals. But I believe all competitors have typically competed in their hep events in the outdoor season before heps comes around.

I know direct athletes used to compile indoor and outdoor performances for the outdoor listings if the event was competed in both seasons. I don't think tfrrs does this ( I personally hate that combining).

14 years ago 04/07/2012 10:11am EDT

re: C/m runner

Ah, thanks for the info, my Crimson/Maroon friend. Much obliged.

I hope the weather cooperates for most of the League's meets today. I see the Ithacans will have cool and windy conditions, but some sunshine, anyway...

14 years ago 04/07/2012 10:48am EDT

re: kibitzer

5,000m run

13:34.49 — Dan Lowry, Brown (Stanford)

13:56.93 — James Leakos, Harvard (Colonial)

14:01.66 — Matt Duffy, Brown (Stanford)

WOAH! Huge performance by Lowry -- that's like a 25 second PR for the kid..beating Scott Bauhs and Simon Bairu!

14 years ago 04/07/2012 11:45am EDT

re: mind blown

mind blown wrote:
5,000m run
13:34.49 — Dan Lowry, Brown (Stanford)
13:56.93 — James Leakos, Harvard (Colonial)
14:01.66 — Matt Duffy, Brown (Stanford)
[WHOA!] Huge performance by Lowry -- that's like a 25 second PR for the kid..beating Scott Bauhs and Simon Bairu!

Yeah, I found that *very* impressive. Stunning, to be honest. It's not really "out of nowhere"--he ran 4:03 and 8:02 indoors--but it's definitely a step up.

I'm also impressed with Cornell's Kellner. I don't believe she was under 34mins before, so PRing (and beating the USOT "B" qualifier) by more than a minute--whoa! Running a pair of 16:29s (Heps 5,000 last year was won in ~16:45!) is a *major* improvement.

14 years ago 04/08/2012 10:23am EDT

re: Ivyguy

Grrr...anybody know where the results from this weekend's meet at Cornell are? Get on the stick, Big Red!

14 years ago 04/08/2012 1:31pm EDT

re: ftjsd

Usual meet director was in Stanford this weekend, Rojo uploaded the results to Letsrun.com in the meantime until they can be sent to Direct Athletics and then tffrs.com

http://www.letsrun.com/2012/cornellspring.php

14 years ago 04/08/2012 1:47pm EDT

re: shazzuy

Thanks for the link. So LRC has results? Who knew?

14 years ago 04/09/2012 10:33am EDT

re: mind blown

Lowry=mortal lock for the 5k win.

14 years ago 04/09/2012 11:24am EDT

re: ivyrunner27

ivyrunner27 wrote:
Lowry=mortal lock for the 5k win.

I don't know... I think it depends on whether or not Stilin or Cabral decide to run it at Heps. Cabral is a 3 time 5k all-american (twice outdoors, once indoors) and Stilin has already run a 13:53 this year.

FYI, the meet 5k record is only 13:53.74. I think that will be jeopardy this year.

14 years ago 04/09/2012 12:41pm EDT

re: C/M Runner

Depends if Lowry will double. Has he ever run the 10,000?

14 years ago 04/09/2012 1:14pm EDT

re: lagsun

lagsun wrote:
Depends if Lowry will double. Has he ever run the 10,000?

Based on Lowry's team bio and outdoor Heps results from 2009 thru 2011, I don't think so. Internet is acting up so cannot check TFRRS right now.

14 years ago 04/09/2012 1:30pm EDT

re: C/M Runner

I'm not sure either. The 5,000 meet record is from '87 by Navy's Ron Harris. I can't remember if he doubled in the 1500 that year or was it only in '86.

14 years ago 04/09/2012 2:15pm EDT

re: lagsun

lagsun wrote:
The 5,000 meet record is from '87 by Navy's Ron Harris. I can't remember if he doubled in the 1500 that year or was it only in '86.

He did win the 1,500/5,000 double in '86; courtesy of the archives at Hepstrack.com, these were the men's winners in the longer races in 1987:

1,500-meter run — 1. Paul Kent (Harvard), 3:46.06

5,000-meter run — 1. Ron Harris (Navy), 13:53.74

10,000-meter run — 1. Chris Schille (Brown), 29:33.61

3000-meter steeplechase — 1. Robert Packowski (Navy), 8:44.06

14 years ago 04/09/2012 2:31pm EDT

re: her

her wrote:
He did win the 1,500/5,000 double in '86; courtesy of the archives at Hepstrack.com, these were the men's winners in the longer races in 1987:
1,500-meter run — 1. Paul Kent (Harvard), 3:46.06
5,000-meter run — 1. Ron Harris (Navy), 13:53.74
10,000-meter run — 1. Chris Schille (Brown), 29:33.61
3000-meter steeplechase — 1. Robert Packowski (Navy), 8:44.06

I went there first before posting. I think I remember Harris doubling in the 1500 and 5000 in '87 too but my memory fails me. I wish there were deeper results for '86 & '87 as I can't even remember who ran in my events back then...

14 years ago 04/09/2012 4:55pm EDT

re: lagsun

I don't know if the League carried any of the older results beyond event winners.

Also, according to TFRRS, Dan Lowry has not run the 10k. I don't think it would make sense for him to do the 5k/10k as he is more of a shorter-long distance person (i.e. mile, 3k, 5k). Perhaps the 1500/5k isn't too far off? His mile PR is 4:03.

http://www.tfrrs.org/athletes/2274889.html

Lastly, I was wrong earlier: Stilin ran a 13:51 earlier this season, not 13:53. Regardless, I think the 5k Heps record is going to be reset in a month.

14 years ago 04/09/2012 5:45pm EDT

re: C/M Runner

C/M Runner wrote:
Lastly, I was wrong earlier: Stilin ran a 13:51 earlier this season, not 13:53. Regardless, I think the 5k Heps record is going to be reset in a month.

It seems like most years the race is more tactical so unless Lowry pushes the pace (or someone else does) the record has a good chance of staying. Harris had the benefit of racing against Brown's Greg Whitely in '87 and the top 2 Heps times are from that race...

14 years ago 04/09/2012 5:56pm EDT

re: lagsun

lagsun wrote:
It seems like most years the race is more tactical so unless Lowry pushes the pace (or someone else does) the record has a good chance of staying.

Yes, a large number of people are entered into the 5,000 as part of a double, and typically try to run the race as easily as they can. Almost every year, there will be a few guys, who have no chance in a sprint finish and know it, who will nevertheless content themselves with remaining in a slowish lead pack and hoping for the best.

14 years ago 04/11/2012 10:15am EDT

re: rhtsj

Just noticed that Alexi Pappas, Donn Cabral, and Conor McCullough lead the D1 standings in the steeplechases and hammer throw.

Funny enough, there is a kid in NAIA who has thrown further than McCullough, about 9 meters further according to TFRRS. And that kid couldn't get a D1 scholarship?

It looks like Pappas will do the steeple this weekend at Mt Sac while Cabral will do the 5k. No word if McCullough is competing this weekend or not.

Other Ivies at Mt Sac:

Kyle Merber (800m, 1500m) - columbia

Matt Miner (1500m) - dartmouth

John Bleday (5k) - darmtouth

Brad Kenimer (5k) - dartmouth

Jon Gault (10k) - dartmouth

Ethan Shaw (10k) - dartmouth

Adam Cotton (1500m) - harvard

Joe Stilin (5k) - princeton

christina supino (800m, 1500m) - dartmouth

abbey D'Agostino (5k) - dartmouth

caitie meyer (10k) - dartmouth

alexi pappas (SC) - dartmouth

alex banfich (10k) - princeton

Stephanie Pancoast (SC)

Delilah DiCrescenzo (SC)

Ashley Higginson (SC)

Anna Pierce (5k)

Liz Costello (5k)

Becky Christensen (HJ)

Kate Grace (800m)

Liam Boylan-Pett (1500m)

Dan Chenoweth (5k)

14 years ago 04/11/2012 10:36am EDT

re: C/M Runner

C/M Runner wrote:
Funny enough, there is a kid in NAIA who has thrown further than McCullough, about 9 meters further according to TFRRS. And that kid couldn't get a D1 scholarship?

Must be a typo unless that kid PR'd by 100 feet.

14 years ago 04/11/2012 11:28am EDT

re: Checkerer

Checkerer wrote:
C/M Runner wrote:
Funny enough, there is a kid in NAIA who has thrown further than McCullough, about 9 meters further according to TFRRS. And that kid couldn't get a D1 scholarship?
Must be a typo unless that kid PR'd by 100 feet.

If it is a typo, it wouldn't have been the first time TFRRS has done so. The TFRRS still has McCullough listed twice under the hammer.

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