maryland jooging international wrote:
I hadn't realized he was born in September 1989. So he ran 1:43.30 a week after his 22nd birthday in 2011.
If he wants to break the record, however, 2.3 seconds is a long way to go.
But I wouldn't be surprised if he broke the white guy 800m world record in the next year or two.
Seb Coe is still 3rd fastest 800m runner of all time, only 0.7 seconds slower than Rudisha, so that's still a long way to go.
the smartest letsrunner wrote:
LOLsef Stalin wrote:Whether or not Kszczot can run 1:41 is irrelevant, as the Olympic final will be won within the 1:43.5-1:44.5 range.
the smartest letsrunner wrote:
You are a complete idiot, you know that? Why do you even try? This is like saying you don't need sub-13 shape to win the 5000, because the race is going to be won in around 13:00.
Let's take your 1:44 guess. That's 26 seconds per 200, of course.
Do you really think that if the race comes through 600 in 1:18, the guy who's running at his PR pace just to get there (Kszczot) is in the same position to kick as the guy (Rudisha) who's running 2 seconds per lap slower than his PR pace?
OF COURSE having a better ability at the distance matters, moron. Even you and your 19:00 5k would have an advantage against your 20:00 in buddies in a race that's won in 20:00, right?
Simon Ripsnitch wrote:
This is an absolute beauty of a post - simply for the fact that the very scenario you believe to be implausible actually did happen when Nils Schumann (pr 1.44.84 at the time and later 1.44.16) kicked off a slow pace to win the Sydney 800m Olympic title against Wilson Kipketer (1.41.11) and a entire field with faster PR's then his (maybe Glody Dube was slower - not sure).
So it's hilarious that you call someone an idiot when obviously you have no idea what you are talking about. In an Olympic final when the pace is off ANYONE can win and who has the fastest PR goes straight out the window.
First, learn to use the quote function, you moron. Your post was such a mess I could barely be bothered to read it. And I'm sorry that I wasted my time.
"ANYONE" can win? "The fastest PR goes straight out the window"?
Of COURSE there are examples like the one you conveniently provided. This is the 800. We know that. There are also many more examples of the opposite happening, which you conveniently ignore. With a three-second gap between PRs, the fastest very, very, often wins.
Think of it this way, you idiot. Maybe this will make it easy for you. You're going to run an 800. The race is going to go through 600 at your PR pace. Does it make a difference to the likely result if the guy on your shoulder has the same PR or a PR THREE SECONDS FASTER? Think, little brain, think...
I'm not saying the slower man CAN'T win, EVER, so don't mess that up yet again. Read. Read. Read. I'm saying the slower man is much LESS LIKELY to win. Funny thing is that I have results on my side.
This is correct.
Lewandowski 1:45 out of the gate- Poles on the march....
Are you related to Ventolin by any chance? You seem to use the same abusive language!
I tend to agree with what you've put, but is there really the need to be so derogatory?
Polish guy wrote:
Kszczot's PB for 400m was set in the rain (I have seen that race). The surface was wet and it wasn't mondo. He may be able to run under 46 seconds.
But don't think, that he can go under 3.40 for 1500m. It is not the way people train for 800m in Poland (except of Lewandowski). Training is mainly explosive power, speed and not so much endurance. It is very anaerobic. So we have very good 800m runners, but everything longer is very weak (In 5000m nobody went under 14 min in the last year). It is the influence of soviet training system - power and short intervals plus just very easy runs.
But Kszczot sometimes trains with Marcin Lewandowski and without doubt he is aerobically stronger than 2-3 years ago. So he may be very dangerous in 800m. The qouestion is - how will he run 3 races in 4 days in the Olympics.
Interesting indeed, where do you this information from? Is there somewhere online one can about this?
Obviously not this year but 1.42 can be in his range.
And yes definitelly Adam has more speed than endurance so rather Rudisha type.
I guess for Adam the key thing is to stay healthy and it'll be allright :)
However Marcin is more expirienced on big events as WCH or Olypics.
Next meet is soon 23rd Feb. in Stockholm Sweden where both are o start list.
I have this information, because I know very well Marcin and his coach and brother Tomasz, who is my friend. I know Adam and his coach also, and Pawel Czapiewski and his coach. I used to run 800m, I was 1.48 guy. I competed with this guys, speak with them, sometimes run (I run now mainly road races in Poland, but still in training)
Marcin's result from Birmingham is very interesting, because he didn't run much specific training. It is pure aerobic workload plus general core plus some relaxed repetitios like 200's. He didn't plan to run indoors, wanted just to check his overall shape. Both of them didn't plan to run indoor worlds, but maybe they will change that now.
I know too, that Pawel Czapiewski, another 1:43 guy, will be trying to qualify for the Olympics. He is healthy (and is 34 years old) and has nothing to lose. He lost some years because of injury and in the last 2 years didn't compete much. But who knows, maybe?
Red Arrow wrote:
Are you related to Ventolin by any chance? You seem to use the same abusive language!
I tend to agree with what you've put, but is there really the need to be so derogatory?
I've said it before, and I'll say it again: do the handle say "nicest" f#cking letsruner?
And I take it as a compliment to be mentioned in the same sentence as Ventolin, so thanks.
You're probably the only person willing to admit that, so I'll take it as a "YES" then.
The commentators for Birmingham said that Lewandowski would run World Indoors but not Adam K.
Polish guy wrote:
I have this information, because I know very well Marcin and his coach and brother Tomasz, who is my friend. I know Adam and his coach also, and Pawel Czapiewski and his coach. I used to run 800m, I was 1.48 guy. I competed with this guys, speak with them, sometimes run (I run now mainly road races in Poland, but still in training)
Marcin's result from Birmingham is very interesting, because he didn't run much specific training. It is pure aerobic workload plus general core plus some relaxed repetitios like 200's. He didn't plan to run indoors, wanted just to check his overall shape. Both of them didn't plan to run indoor worlds, but maybe they will change that now.
I know too, that Pawel Czapiewski, another 1:43 guy, will be trying to qualify for the Olympics. He is healthy (and is 34 years old) and has nothing to lose. He lost some years because of injury and in the last 2 years didn't compete much. But who knows, maybe?
So, pretty much Adam does lower mileage (how many per week at different parts of the year?) and does a lot of short speed stuff with short rest, plus a lot of lifting and plyos? And Marcin does a lot of mileage in base compared to other 800 runners? His training is more strength oriented?
College Dude - you are right. I don't know hom much does Adam exactly do, but I am sure it is less then 120-130km/week in the peak mileage. On the other side, Marcin may be at about 150km/week in the peak mileage. The yearly average may be like 80-90km/week for Adam and 100-120 for Marcin.
But of course Marcin does some dynamic exercises and plyos too. And Adam does some tempo runs, like 6km progressing from 3:25 to 3:00/km. And both of them do a lot of general strenght and core. So, there are the differences but similarities too. It is natural, because Adam is more 400/800 and Marcin 800/1500.
The main difference is training from the lactate point of view. Marcin is the low lactate runner, in training and competitions. And Adam is the opposite - high lactate. My training was more high lactate, like Adam - so sometimes I used to run 5 days a week with lactate between 10 and 25 mmol. Plyos, tempo runs, repetitions - I could finish everything with high lactate. At 15mmol I was feeling easy ; ) And so is Adam - he can easily go in repetitions (say: 3x400m in 52-50s) for lactate like 25mmol.
Marcin is different - even in competition it is impossible for him to have more than 12-15mmol. His training is mostly under 4mmoles.
Polish coaches use lactate devices very often. So, sometimes not the type of training is important, but the lactate response. Pawel Czapiewski used to do some very hard power sessions like jumping, skipping and bounding uphill with lactate about 20mmol and more.
But Pawel Czapiewski always was a typical 800m type. Not the 400/800, not 800/1500, just 800m. Not so good speed and average endurance, but that mix produced the 1:43,22. So - every polish top 800m runner is a little bit different and the training is different too.
What is interesting - we have pretty good 400m runners. Few years ago our national 4x400m relay competed well against Americans. So it may be, that our training (and maybe genes?) are best for distances like 400/800m.