60 seconds per lap in a 3:45 1500m.
That = 15 seconds per 100 meters
the extra distance in the mile is less than 10meters
1 tenth of 15 seconds is 1.5 seconds
If A person hold paces A 3:45=x<4:015
Just saying I think the conversion chart people come up with is Crap.
An elite runner can hold their average 1500m pace (we are talking even their slower first 2 laps) for another 100m.
If they couldn't they should have 100 bricks tossed in their face.
Your Right that makes so much sense!!!
Someday other people will hopefully figure this out.
I have always wondered about the conversion stuff. I think you have a strong point. You could even be conservative and take the slowest lap and go off of that.
In the case of the best milers that could be a 54 second lap. That makes Hicham's 3:26 all the more impressive
Why not just run the 1500 only that way we dont have to worry about conversion.
Real Runners know what we are talking about.
If anyone asks how fast you run the mile say,
Lets find out I'll race you tomorrow.
Wow that was the dumbest thing I\\\'ve ever heard. However the person on the conversion stuff above was on the money!!!!!
Change to the Mile=stupid
Stickin' with the 1500m= smart
Conversion calculation above= even smarter
To keep consistency with the metric system, we ought to get rid of the 400, 800, and marathon too. Proposed standard distances: 500, 1k, 1.5k, 3k, 5k, 10k, 20k, 40k.
I am the walrus wrote:
I simply convert my 1500m time to the mile (add 17secs). That's because I ran the mile only once about 8 years ago.
But don't think they choice of 1500m or mile has an influence on them whether they would attend a meet or watch TV coverage. Either way they would not do it.
You should convert correctly.
17 seconds under 3:40
18 seconds under 3:55
19 seconds uner 4:10
20 seconds under 4:20
Wonderful thinking we should run the 2640foot race as well.
Here is a proposal: We could just keep things the same it seems to be working.
Switching to the mile isn't going to cause a flood of popularity in track and field.
If we are really hungry for changing the sport lets begin by turning cross country back into cross country.
RunningAntelope wrote:
One of the premier European meets in Oslo used to feature the "Dream Mile," and all of the big guns used to aim for that race... It was called the DREAM MILE for heaven's sake. As far as I know, it still is, though not as heavily profiled anymore.
Yeah... that's exactly the point. The Dream Mile is still exactly the same as it was 30 years ago, but not as many people care about -- including you, apparently. It's still a mile, not 1500m, but that hasn't prevented its popularity from waning. It's not about the distance.
Amen!!! LEts stop this dumb movement to change the mile.
Lets work to change cross country!!!
No more grass track.
Lets make these people run some hills
Did somebody mention Cross Country Reform!!!!
LETS DO IT!!!! Run like animals not wusses!!!
I read through here and saw the conversion thing from the Mile and have done the same thing as well. I don't know where the official conversion thing comes from. Taking the average or slowest pace an extending it for the additional 108 or so meters makes more sense and is more accurate
Conversion chart above= NICE
Official conversion= Weird
Mile Reform= Unnecessary
CROSS COUNTRY REFORM AN IMPERATIVE
Lets run the way running was meant to be no more golf courses!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
miler manatee wrote:
60 seconds per lap in a 3:45 1500m.
That = 15 seconds per 100 meters
the extra distance in the mile is less than 10meters
1 tenth of 15 seconds is 1.5 seconds
If A person hold paces A 3:45=x<4:015
Just saying I think the conversion chart people come up with is Crap.
An elite runner can hold their average 1500m pace (we are talking even their slower first 2 laps) for another 100m.
If they couldn't they should have 100 bricks tossed in their face.
Good man!!!
Well Said!!!!
Okay here is the solution for both problems
We will bring the mile back in cross country.
Make the race a mile straight up hill!!!!!!
Then make them run 5 more. We can do miles then because times and distance mean little in cross!!!
LETS SAVE CROSS COUNTRY!!!!!!!
I think the proposal is actually to replace the 1600 in high schools with the mile. It wouldn't affect NCAA or the pro's. I agree with that, because the 1600 is just a b*stardized distance that no one runs except in high school. The mile would at least mean something to peers and parents of high school kids.
In an ideal world, the switch would be to the 1500 so that the distances were the same in HS, college, and professionally, and people would actually know and care how long 1500m is. Failing that, however, getting rid of the 1600 in favor of the mile is a definite improvement.
Some history to shed some light on the discussion...
In Europe (except the Commonwealth countries) the tracks were 500m, in the UK they were normally 440yd. America was also using 440yd tracks.
When the modern day Olympics started they were using 500m tracks. In fact there was a 500m at Washington University in St. Louis where the 1904 Olympics were.
Over time the 500m tracks shrunk to 400m which just happens to be a shade under 440 yds. Thus the clash of events.
The 1500m, 3000m, 5000m and 10,000m all originated on 500m tracks.
But yes, worst of all are the American states that run the 1600m and 3200m, makes no sense at all. They were created out of convenience once 440 yd tracks were being resurfaced and measured out at 400m.
Personally, I'm a fan of the mile, it's history not just in sport, but in life. A sub 4:00 is still very special to see or run.
Do you mean 'Campaign to bring back the mile'?
'Bring back the mile campaign' makes no sense.
Bring Back The Mile wrote:
Here are just four reasons why this is a good idea:
* Because America understands the "magic" of the Mile, particularly the sub-4 minute Mile. The Mile, like the 100 meters and the marathon, is a running event that most Americans know something about or have a general feeling for (even if you hated it in grade school).
* Because we sorely need to elevate and celebrate Track & Field, create heroes and inspire others to run as well as to create new fans in the sport.
*Because with the groundswell of Mile talent in the U.S. it's important that at every major international competition the USA has contenders for medals, particularly the Olympics.
*Because the 1500 meters, or worse, the misfit 1600 meters, do not have the same historical significance and cultural value as the Mile. There is no 1500 meter equivalent to Roger Bannister's historic and still revered first sub-4 minute Mile.
Also, note that the IAAF still recognizes the Mile (unlike the 1600m, which nobody runs outside of U.S. High Schools) and even though the British as a culture and country have switched to metric (unlike the U.S. where our signs are in miles), they still refer to their middle distance athletes as Milers.
Everybody will have a role a play in the campaign. We plan to elevate and celebrate the Mile as a premier event in the U.S. sporting landscape (not just Track & Field) and do our part to replace the 1600m at the High School level. Tie up your shoe laces...it's time for Track & Field fans to do some work and bring back the sport in the U.S.
You are dellusional.
How has nobody said this yet: People understand or "revere" the mile because everyone was forced to run it in grade school and no other reason.
If every grade school child in America ran 1042 meters for their presidential fitness test twice a year from grades 3-8, 1042 meters would eventually replace the mile as the distance that everyone "reveres." Non-runners will ask runners what their best 1042m time is and they will understand the difference between 2:30, 3:00, and 3:30 because they remember running 3:07 back in 8th grade and know that the under 2:30 is like crazy fast and nobody has ever broken 2:00 in the 1042m.
There is absolutely nothing magical about the mile.
The mile has a mystique to it that the 1500m lacks. 1500m means nothing to the average person in the united states. The mile means so much more. It is a distance that people can relate to, understand, and are in awe of. Break the four minute barrier is special even today. Sure it won't place you in the top 10 in the world anymore, but it is special. They keep a list, to this very day. of every person that runs a sub 4 minute mile. If you told the average person you ran a mile in 3:59, they would be very impressed. But if you told them that you ran the 1500 in 3:41, they would say something like "okay, well....is that kind of a mile?" The IAAF can be petitioned to accept conversions for the mile to 1500m. USATF already does. The mile will always mean more than the 1500. It is a very special distance.