How does Wetmore do it?

Oh okay. Now altitude isn't a big deal.

ttc wrote:

Oh okay. Now altitude isn't a big deal.

So you're just calling BS without making any effort to engage the topic. The funny thing about this is that you just ripped someone for doing what you just did.

To repeat: Spending virtually the whole competitive year at 5,000' to 5,500' above sea level doesn't provide an inherent advantage. If you believe that it does, so ahead and say why. If you say "because teams at altitude are successful," you will have reached new depths of inanity.

I have to give you dubious credit for being ignorant for a long time across an amazing wealth of topics here. You may be more refractory to assimilating new information than anyone on the board. It's obviously intentional to some extent, but still.

Dude's whole point was to be contentious, epic fail. just to put a nail in the coffin ttc- I forgot that all the CO kids and teams just annihilate every other state at NTNs and footlocker because altitude is such a big deal. thanks again for your intelligent and well researched posts.

I don't know if someone else has already mentioned this (I only read half the thread), but the DII schools in Colorado seem to do similarly well. So, the real question, to me at least, is can anyone consistently peak like that *without* altitude?

I know there's disagreement on "live high, train low" and what that means for people spending all their time at altitude. What gets lost in the debate is that there's still a tremendous advantage when you come down from altitude, i.e., when it comes time to peak at the end of the season, but the training quality is affected up to that point. It's a trade-off, but I suspect the altitude limitations on training simply serve to make the peak look greater than it really is by artificially holding the runners back much of the year.

Dan

Nice idea. I wouldn't discount this at all, it sounds pretty believable.

dkap wrote:

I know there's disagreement on "live high, train low" and what that means for people spending all their time at altitude...

It's unquestionably the way to go if you can swing it without moving mountains (ha, I made a funny). In most parts of Colorado there's no convenient way to drop down to non-affected altitudes from the college towns. Some of the elite triathletes and others in Boulder go to the Boulder Center for Sports Medicine and run speed sessions on a treadmill using supplemental O2 that approximates sea-level pO2, so they are doing the inverse of sea-level-dwellers who sleep in hypoxic tents while pursuing the same thing.

Realistically, in order to take full advantage of altitude training, you'd do a stint up there of at least several weeks (increased RBC production levels off after about 28 days) and then spend a couple of sharpening weeks at sea level before running a goal race. Obviously CU, Adams State, etc. don't have this luxury.

I always wondered if Colorado would foot the bill for the NCAA outdoor distance qualifiers to do just this. Get to sea level 2 weeks to sharpen. Probably not in the budget but I recall when Texas did this for a stud 10k guy named Harry Green when national's were at moderate altitude at BYU.

We got there the day before our heats and he told me he had been there for 10 days.

dkap wrote:

I don't know if someone else has already mentioned this (I only read half the thread), but the DII schools in Colorado seem to do similarly well. So, the real question, to me at least, is can anyone consistently peak like that *without* altitude?

I know there's disagreement on "live high, train low" and what that means for people spending all their time at altitude. What gets lost in the debate is that there's still a tremendous advantage when you come down from altitude, i.e., when it comes time to peak at the end of the season, but the training quality is affected up to that point. It's a trade-off, but I suspect the altitude limitations on training simply serve to make the peak look greater than it really is by artificially holding the runners back much of the year.

Dan

The D2 schools in Colorado have outstanding coaches that rely heavily on foreign recruits.

Most of the world is not at altitude- most of the world's best distance runners are from altitude. Far as CO beating those other altitude teams- REREAD my earlier post or hire a tutor.

ttc wrote:

Most of the world is not at altitude- most of the world's best distance runners are from altitude. Far as CO beating those other altitude teams- REREAD my earlier post or hire a tutor.

Most of the world's best distance runners use PED's.

he's got altitude and good to great recruits and great places to run with plenty of hills and soft trails. how could he fail? Look at how Adams State and Western State do. The altitude is very important. And then you have to recruit the talent. Wetmore also gets them to peak at the right time, so all credit to him for that.

alright smart guy, so you're saying that the africans are the best in the world because they are from altitude, or that if they did not live and train at elevation they wouldn't be the best in the world?

Exactly.

Exactly.

ttc wrote:

Most of the world is not at altitude- most of the world's best distance runners are from altitude.

Most of the world is not small islands in the Caribbean; most of the world's best sprinters are from small islands in the Caribbean. Therefore, being surrounded by seawater in the Atlantic basin creates speed -- end of argument.

Scientific evidence that altitude produces more red blood cells and hemoglobin, which carries more oxygen. No scientific evidence re: living around seawater. More dumb replies I can destroy?

ttc wrote:

Scientific evidence that altitude produces more red blood cells and hemoglobin, which carries more oxygen.

Good point. I was wondering about the preponderance of world-class marathoners from the Himalayan and Andean regions. Hell, Afghanistan alone has about 30 million people and a mean elevation of about 4,000', with Kabul Province at around 6,000'. You win again on blather alone.

An educated person wrote:

ttc wrote:

Most of the world is not at altitude- most of the world's best distance runners are from altitude. Far as CO beating those other altitude teams- REREAD my earlier post or hire a tutor.

Most of the world's best distance runners use PED's.

Exactly.

KMB wrote:

ttc wrote:

Scientific evidence that altitude produces more red blood cells and hemoglobin, which carries more oxygen.

Good point. I was wondering about the preponderance of world-class marathoners from the Himalayan and Andean regions. Hell, Afghanistan alone has about 30 million people and a mean elevation of about 4,000', with Kabul Province at around 6,000'. You win again on blather alone.

Either you´re trolling, or you´re a complete retard.