Whoops! George Hincapie gives up Lance

Equal wrote:

trollism wrote:

But you're still happy to lap up his 'My body is a temple' and all the 'beat all the Euro dopers whilst clean' nonsense that he feeds you.

Just like you're still happpy to lap up all this "US distance runners can suddenly compete with the Kenyans and are perfectly clean" nonsense.

This is the saddest aspect: Chris Solinsky gets accusations on this board that he is a doper. There is no way he can prove he is clean. He was an NCAA champion and then made a big leap as a pro. I can understand that no one thinks a big white kid can run sub 27 and sub 13.

I will give him the benefit of the doubt. I would like to think that there are some clean athletes left. Do we know all the Africans are clean? Hasn't there been issues with finding them for random testing? Maybe I'm naive. Isn't it possible Solinsky is a freak of nature? It's not like we have a bunch of runners who are competitive. Solinsky is only borderline competitive in the 10k and 5k. If he's using, then he needs to step up the dosage if he wants a medal at worlds.

Having worked at EPSN and Fox Sports, finally leaving sports and news in disgust over how fake, how controlled things are in the media, I can tell you this: the people that run the media are on a big time crusade against Lance, and a lot of that has to do with his, lets say, ethnicity. If he were black, Asian, etc. they would leave him alone for as long as they could, if not forever. The media had to be forced into paying attention to Barry Bonds and his shenanigans and for the most part still try to cover him as little as possible when you consider what went on and what has happened since. You can read this and laugh, but that means you are incapable of standing back and looking at things sideways. You are one of the sheeple.

Did Lance use PEDs? I don't know. I do know of other athletes who were caught and the stories were buried or let quietly die. In the same manner non-white on white crime is ignored by the US media most of the time. You jealous third raters should be ashamed of yourselves.

TheMediaHatesYou wrote:

Did Lance use PEDs? I don't know. I do know of other athletes who were caught and the stories were buried or let quietly die. In the same manner non-white on white crime is ignored by the US media most of the time. You jealous third raters should be ashamed of yourselves.

All American hero Big George Hincapie seems to think he did.

Lance shouldn't have spent years pretending he beat all those evil Euros whilst clean, if he was doped to the eyeballs should he?

Mango wrote:

Did anything come of the raid on Popo's house?

From what I've read there were PEDs along with documents and e-mails connecting Lance with PED doctor Michele Ferrari as recently as 2009. Lance had stated in the past that he no longer worked with Ferrari after his '04 conviction

That raid was apparently the starting point of this investigation.

Alan

'David Millar is nearly the same rider he was when he was an admitted doper.'

I didn't notice him winning the world champs recently

Just read about him critising and whining about the police who arrested him. Reading that I really wish they had given the lying cheating bastard a good whack.

Looks like they were all on it but that's no excuse

I'm just psyched for all the LAF stuff to go on sale. Doper or not, if I can pick up some Lunarglide 2's and some Free's on the way cheap, I'm a happy runner.

I think I speak for a lot of us when I say that my issue is not that Lance doped. My gripe are the millions of fans who are in complete denial, who think Lance is the only "good guy" while everyone else is a dirty cheat. That's just not right and I hope the whole truth comes out.

...you're a bright lad 'Bladerunner!'

Maybe the World didn't end yesterday after all, but today the World now finally will know a few things.

1. There is no Santa Claus

2. ditto on the Easter Bunny and Lance did cheat-like all of the rest.

p.s. Feds are coming to get you too, lol!!!

mattressman wrote:

I think I speak for a lot of us when I say that my issue is not that Lance doped. My gripe are the millions of fans who are in complete denial, who think Lance is the only "good guy" while everyone else is a dirty cheat. That's just not right and I hope the whole truth comes out.

I agree with you 100%. I hate his brain-washed fans who still thinks he's clean. Even if Lance comes out, those fans will still back him up like he's god even though he's been a complete fraud.

I also hate the media like ESPN where they have not been covering this like he's guilty even after Hincapie's leak. ESPN.com doesn't even have this headline on the frontpage. Ridiculous. It's like ESPN is afraid to make him guilty probably of all of the sponsorships. I hope some of Lance's big sponsors like Nike, Oakley, Radioshack, Nissan, etc to pull out. That will make a headline.

ESPN was even running this story,

Coach, last year he got 2nd in the time trial at the World Championships to the indomitable Cancellara. He has also won the time trial stage in the Tour of Spain twice since his suspension for doping. I stand by my statement that he is "nearly the same rider." It doesn't seem like he's lost much since he was bounced for doping. Sorry to be cynical, but someone ought to be worse after he quits doping. Listening to him preach around as the "conscience of the peloton" makes me ill.

TheMediaHatesYou wrote:

Having worked at EPSN and Fox Sports, finally leaving sports and news in disgust over how fake, how controlled things are in the media, I can tell you this: the people that run the media are on a big time crusade against Lance, and a lot of that has to do with his, lets say, ethnicity. If he were black, Asian, etc. they would leave him alone for as long as they could, if not forever.

Yeah, all of those black and Asian TDF champions have been getting a free pass in the media. I'll bet if some black guy on the PGA Tour were discovered to have been hanging out with hookers and porn stars, that would probably be swept under the rug, too. Or what if a black Hall-of-Fame football player were suspected of killing his white ex-wife? Probably wouldn't raise an eyebrow. But imagine what would happen if a white quarterback were charged with, say, animal cruelty, like dogfighting. Those liberals at Fox Sports would be all over him.

Thanks for the inside scoop.

Avocado's Number wrote:

Yeah, all of those black and Asian TDF champions have been getting a free pass in the media. I'll bet if some black guy on the PGA Tour were discovered to have been hanging out with hookers and porn stars, that would probably be swept under the rug, too. Or what if a black Hall-of-Fame football player were suspected of killing his white ex-wife? Probably wouldn't raise an eyebrow. But imagine what would happen if a white quarterback were charged with, say, animal cruelty, like dogfighting. Those liberals at Fox Sports would be all over him.

Thanks for the inside scoop.[/quote]

Well said, Avocado's Number.

common letsrun sense wrote:

The sport obviously isn't clean yet. It's a lot cleaner than it was, but as long as there are Spaniards and Italians in the sport, there will be cheating.

Or Germans. Or Russians. Or French. Or Americans. Or Belgians. Or Danes. Or Australians. Or Dutch. Or Swiss. Or Brits.

I don't think there's a single country, where cycling is a major sport, that hasn't had riders busted for doping.

As long as there is the UCI in the sport, there will be cheating.

Armstrong has clearly missed the right moment to tell the truth. The German sprinter Erik Zabel (six consecutive green jerseys) admitted to doping - late in his career, and under pressure from prosecutors already investigating the Telekom / t-mobile teams. But he just about managed to do it when he was still able to make decisions, and thereby made it look like he was forthcoming and open (even though there were doubts whether he really admitted the full extent of his involvement).

Contrast that with Ullrich - he never admitted to doping, despite there being much more evidence. Zabel is now a well-respected former cyclist, race director and public figure. Ullrich, arguably the more accomplished rider, is a joke, and only gets in the news for the wrong reasons.

Armstrong should look at these two cases carefully. He's already left it far too late, but the longer he waits, the harder it will be for him to end up a "Zabel", rather than an "Ullrich".

There may be a few rubes out there who didn't already understand that Lance used performance enhancing drugs (as did nearly all professional cyclists---they and many professional athletes still do----let's be real). I am not a Lance hater, nor am I prone to hero worshipping of him, but I just don't see who benefits from exposing Lance as a doper which a) any thinking person already knew, and b)which has a significant cost to the positive causes he has supported beyond cycling.

His Livestrong work alone should earn him a pass from being drug through the mud. We are not a virtuous society, so why would we choose to fixate on and ruin the body of work of an icon---when that icon is a virtual savior to a needful cross section of our citizens.

Are we that desperate to get somebody to say, "I lied. I cheated." We don't even hold our governmental or business leaders to this standard. Why would we do this to an inspirational figure? What do we gain? I don't get it.

I'd say the same thing if the Nike Oregon folks get busted for doping or other shady activity. Do we really want to see Kara Goucher beat up by the media for doping? What does that get us? Truth, honesty, come on.

So cycling's doping is anything interesting compared to high school, college, and pro football? Get serious, this is a waste of time and attention. You guys should be looking at the guys doing drugs and ruining track because of their greed.

60 Minutes is trying to bait the riders by making up interviews. Hincapie made a statement saying he did not speak with 60 Minutes and did not make those statements.

The riders are using 60 Minutes to bait Jeff Novitsky and take him down.

FogRunner wrote:

60 Minutes is trying to bait the riders by making up interviews. Hincapie made a statement saying he did not speak with 60 Minutes and did not make those statements.

Your statement is only partially correct. Hincapie said that he did not speak with 60 Minutes; however, he did not deny making the incriminating statements about Armstrong before the grand jury.

To be clear, 60 Minutes is not claiming that it spoke with Hincapie. Someone leaked Hincapie's testimony to 60 Minutes, and 60 Minutes is sharing the leaked testimony.