Is Jay Cutler a quitter?

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haha YO wrote:

Made the decision he couldn't go is ruling someone out. How the f*** can you think it is anything else? Do you want Lovie to say "We ruled him out of the game because of his injury"? Is that what it will take?

Look up MCL injuries you moron, a sprain and a tear are the same f***ing thing. The ligament was torn. As I said, we await to see the degree but even a 1st degree sprain/tear is something that puts people out for a few weeks.

you clearly don't understand the rules of the NFL and i don't know why i continue to correct you. there's only 1 way to rule someone one -- rule them OUT. when that is done, he cannot go back in the game. someone who has been declared questionable, much to your dismay, actually can go back in the game. no, i would not want smith to give your quote because it's not true. contrary to what you continue to spew, cutler was eligible to go back in the game until hanie went in.

you also need a lesson on medical terms. a SPRAIN means that the ligament was stretched beyond its normal limit. if it were TORN, then the medical diagnosis would have been that it was torn. when brady TORE his acl, did the pats say that he sprained or tore it? yes, there probably are micro tears but bfd. after 18 games, every guy on the field had something torn at a micro level.

a grade 1 sprain of the mcl is not a serious injury and just shows what a complete pussy cutler is. guys have played on torn mcls and he didn't even attempt to go back in with a sprained one.

McNabb did tear his ACL and he didn't finish the game, because you can't play on a broken knee.

dhdhdeh wrote:

This chump quit. What a fvckin pussy. For how much shit he talks to other opposing players during the game you think he would have toughed it out. If that was mcnabb or farve they would've finished. I never respected cutler, now I never will.

Did you even read that link I gave you moron? For the MCL, a sprain and a tear are the same thing. Hate to break that to you. Shouldn't the fact that you find articles claiming he had a sprain and there are articles like this one

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/01/24/report-cutler-has-mcl-tear/

indicate something to you?

http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2011/1/23/1952168/jay-cutler-knee-injury-bears-nfc-championship-game

"Smith used the language “MCL sprain,” which is the same thing as an MCL tear." From above article.

As for your other crap, the rule doesn't matter. Lovie Smith and the medical staff say "made the decision he couldn't go" which means he is not coming back in the game. Rules don't matter, they aren't letting him come back in. What else do you want?

eb white wrote:

a grade 1 sprain of the mcl is not a serious injury and just shows what a complete pussy cutler is. guys have played on torn mcls and he didn't even attempt to go back in with a sprained one.

We don't know the grade yet but even grade 1 means you should rest it for a few weeks. I would love to see you hurt your MCL and then go race the same day.

To call a guy who took 57 sacks this season a pussy is ridiculous and that is the moral of the story on my end. I'm not arguing with you anymore regarding sprain/tear (I'm right, you're wrong) or the meaning of ruled out. Cutler is not a pussy, end of story.

What Olin Kreutz said:

"I didn't even think he was going to finish the half," Kreutz said. "When he came back to try it again, that amazed me. It was shaking right after he took the hit and walked back in the huddle. It was swinging like this [waving his hand back and forth].

"So I knew one of his ligaments probably went. I can't remember exactly what play it was. I know it was the second quarter. I remember him walking in the huddle, and I saw it shaking like this. I said, 'Ah, man.'"

The fact is Cutler tried to go out and play on an injured knee, and he was incapable of planting his foot and throwing the ball and was taken out of the game. He is going to get a lot of criticism for the same reason Rick Reilly wrote an unflattering article about him last week: he just isn't very friendly to people in the media.

so now random bloggers who proclaim that sprains and tears of the mcl are the same thing speak gospel? just forget how the medical community uses the terms -- just go with the flow of random bloggers! since you like having the same thing repeated to you, i'll repeat again. a sprain is NOT the same thing as a tear. a sprain likely has micro tears of the ligament but it is by no means a nice and tidy tear of ligament. when someone tears a ligament, guess what it is called? this isn't a rhetorical question for you. when someone sprains a ligament, guess what it is called?

so now rules don't matter in the nfl? so when a player is declared OUT, we should just ignore the fact that he isn't allowed back in because "[r]ules don't matter." you clearly don't watch a lot of football but, anyone who does, knows that it is quite common for a player to be hurt, taken out of the game by medical and the coaches, get re-evaluated and then go back in later in the game. this very phenomenon happened with the detroit kicker against the jets this year. however, in your world where rules don't matter, that could not have happened.

haha YO wrote:

eb white wrote:

a grade 1 sprain of the mcl is not a serious injury and just shows what a complete pussy cutler is. guys have played on torn mcls and he didn't even attempt to go back in with a sprained one.

We don't know the grade yet but even grade 1 means you should rest it for a few weeks. I would love to see you hurt your MCL and then go race the same day.

To call a guy who took 57 sacks this season a pussy is ridiculous and that is the moral of the story on my end. I'm not arguing with you anymore regarding sprain/tear (I'm right, you're wrong) or the meaning of ruled out. Cutler is not a pussy, end of story.

so now we have a doctor in the house. so EVERY mcl sprain gets treated with a few weeks rest and nobody in the nfl ever plays on one? right. tell that to rivers.

so now once someone gets sacked 57 times, he forever cannot do anything that amounts to pussitis? right.

There are three grades of MCL injuries, NOT different grades of sprains and tears.

A Grade I MCL injury might be described as a sprain while a Grade III is described as a tear, but there they are on the same scale.

When someone "sprains" an MCL, it is a Grade I tear and by definition is an incomplete tear. When it is fully torn, it is a Grade III tear.

"The American Medical Association (AMA) classification of MCL injuries has caused confusion and difficulty in comparison of treatment results.1,13,60 In 1976, Hughston standardized MCL injury classification, with further clarification in 1994, into two related systems: The severity system (grade I, II, III) and the laxity system (grade 1+, 2+, 3+).51 Under this combined classification system, grade I, a first-degree tear, involves a few fibers resulting in localized tenderness but no instability. Grade II, a second-degree tear, is a disruption of more fibers, with more generalized tenderness but still no instability. Grade III, a third-degree tear, is a complete disruption of the ligament, with resultant instability"

"I didn't even think he was going to finish the half," Kreutz said. "When he came back to try it again, that amazed me. It was shaking right after he took the hit and walked back in the huddle. It was swinging like this [waving his hand back and forth].

"So I knew one of his ligaments probably went. I can't remember exactly what play it was. I know it was the second quarter. I remember him walking in the huddle, and I saw it shaking like this. I said, 'Ah, man.'"

Everyone calling Cutler a pussy: read this again and again until the reality of your inadequacy penetrates your thick skull.

haha YO wrote:

Someone on Sportscenter brought up a good point today, the decision was made by the medical staff. Cutler cannot overrule them...

The Eagles medical staff made the decision that Michael Vick had to come out of the playoff game with the Packers due to his injured ankle, even going so far as to try to hide his helmet. Didnt work. Ultimately, the player will make that decision on anything short of a concussion.

And as mentioned earlier, Philip Rivers did play the 2008 AFC championship game with a torn ACL.

Some people act like they are on the teams they watch!

They WON and you watched them win!

They actually wear another dude's jersey number but the worst ones are the "fantasy team " owners.....I don't even know how it works where they "mock draft" players.What a waste of time!

Give me a break..Get off the computer and couch and go RUN!

Thank you, thank you, thank you. Read it and weep moron. eb, you are a f***ing moron. Don't talk about stuff you don't know, you just come off looking bad.

As for Ron Mexico, him coming back in the game was stupid. No glory in hobbling around throwing a pick, losing the game. Oh, but he's "tough".

As a physical therapist, perhaps I can clear some things up:

1. A grade 1 tear is synonomous to a sprain, it's basically an incomplete tear. Even if Cutler simply had swelling in the area and a positive varus/valgus stress test, it would be ruled a grade 1 tear (WITHOUT MRI EVIDENCE NEEDED).

2. As per Olin Kreutz's quote....well, that sounds a little far-fetched. I don't know that I've ever seen a simple grade 1 tear "swaying" or wobbling as he described. Perhaps Cutler's entire body was shaking, he was nervous, felt ill, had a concussion, who knows....but I personally question the authenticty of the quote, or at least it's direct implication to the knee injury.

3. I work in sports medicine and have a treated many collegiate and high school athletes with similar injuries. It would not be abnormal for athletes at that level to continue playing and then be re-evaluated after the game or the next day. Of course, every situation and body is unique and no one to speak of Cutler's injury except himself and the medical staff.

any more name calling to make you look even more immature than you are? according to the medical post above, your rants about sprains and tears being the same thing is just plain wrong.

i also found this nice example of portis suffering a grade 2 mcl sprain (or tear as you like), leaving the game and then returning:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/nov/12/portis-says-he-sprained-his-mcl/

however, according to your expertise, that's impossible because (1) the medical staff and coaches already had decided that he couldn't go (he was taken out of the game and all of that) and that that decision always is final (i find it amusing that he "quickly" returned to the game after suffering the injury) and (2) it's impossible to play on a grade 1 sprain/tear, nevermind a grade 2 one.

I'm glad Hanie went in. Cutler was off all day and I expect the injury made it worse.

There's just no excuse for the lake of fire to get back in there and the lack of apparent care/support for his teammates.

He could not control the injury but he COULD control his desire and behavior and he failed miserably on both.

It does not matter if he quit, was hurt, gave up, or was benched. He played terrible in the first half, as did most of his offensive teammates. The third stringer gave them a chance to win over the last 20 min of the game. Did anyone hear Lovie Gumps presser today, he actually defended Collins!!!

We aren't really sure what the grade of Cutler's injury was.

Even if we knew, the fact that someone played on a similar injury in no way demonstrates that Cutler could have played on his injury.

The fact is you cannot possibly know whether Cutler could have effectively planted and thrown the ball with his injury. If it turns out Cutler decided not to play because it hurt too much, then that probably reflects poorly on him. But right now all evidence is that Cutler, Lovie, and the Bears staff all agree that Cutler was simply incapable of playing effective quarterback because of the injury. Portis playing on a similar injury does not change the fact that Cutler apparently could not play effectively on his.

He's a wuss. Mike Vick would ot have quit in that situation.