Is Jesus the most famous human being in ther history of humanity?

those christies are too barbaric. stalin, bush, hitler, truman, and obama have killed so many million innocents and are christians.

dogfish dead wrote:

The historicity of the Prophet Muhammad is universally accepted. He is a figure in both secular and religious history. This gives him the nod over Jesus.

You serious?

I don’t know where to begin - maybe the fact Muhammad was a paedophile is a good starter.

Muhammad married Aisha when she was 6 and had sexual intercourse with her when she was 9.

But Muslims consider this act of Muhammad to be that of the man who is in every way a role model, and hence to be emulated.

Virtually the first act of the Ayatollah Khomeini, a very orthodox and learned Shi’a theologian, was to lower the marriageable age of girls in Iran to 9 -- because, of course, it was Aisha’s age when Muhammad had sexual relations with her.

And as for the lists of appalling acts Muhammad committed - for instance, his massacre of the Banu Qurayza and his ordering the assassination of many of those he deemed his opponents, even an old man, a woman, or anyone whom, he thought, merely mocked him.

Islam, I’m afraid, is a profoundly anti-democratic, totalitarian ideology that, wherever it raises its ugly head, spreads hate, violence, oppression and human misery.

Unlike Christianity it cannot be reformed, because with Christianity it was the institutions of the Catholic Church that were corrupt - not the doctrine itself.

A study of Islam leads to the inevitable conclusion that it is the doctrine that is seriously flawed and that all the evil flows from Islamic scripture and teachings.

To reform Islam would mean to do away with the doctrine - an obviously unrealisable task.

You silly gooses there already is a way to measure this.

Whomever has the most Facebook friends is the winner.

Let's discount Jesus. I believe the evidence is pretty good that he existed, but (assuming you are an orthodox Christian) he's more than just a human (being both man and God). That's not playing on a level playing field (would anyone call God the most famous human being in history? Right).

Having completely unfairly removed Jesus from consideration, let's look at some other candidates:

1. Mary (highly regarded in Islam as well as Christianity)

2. Moses (a central figure in Islam, Christianity, and Judaism)

3. Mohammed (it's possible that there have been more Muslims thoughout history than Christians, although Christians are winning today)

Among living people I suspect it's either going to be a soccer player or a basketball player. I'm going with Pele or Kobe Bryant.

Augusto Perez wrote:

asdg11 wrote:

what are you talking about? Jesus' existence IS well established. Josephus the historian wrote about Jesus. Tacitus wrote about Jesus. The chief secretary to the emperor wrote of Jesus who was called "Chrestus". The Talmud accuses Jesus of sorcery. Most of the witnesses and writings about jesus were destroyed when the Romans invaded and destroyed Jerusalem. That is why there are not a lot of sources, but there still are multiple documents that refer to Jesus. Jesus' existence is not debated at all.

There are some who do question Jesus' existence, but by and large, most scholars agree that there was a Jesus of Nazareth. I believe Josephus references him twice, but one of those references is likely a forgery.

sorry loser, but the city of nazareth never existed

not pretty wrote:

Augusto Perez wrote:

There are some who do question Jesus' existence, but by and large, most scholars agree that there was a Jesus of Nazareth. I believe Josephus references him twice, but one of those references is likely a forgery.

sorry loser, but the city of nazareth never existed

for all you knuckle headed jesus losers

not pretty wrote:

Augusto Perez wrote:

There are some who do question Jesus' existence, but by and large, most scholars agree that there was a Jesus of Nazareth. I believe Josephus references him twice, but one of those references is likely a forgery.

sorry loser, but the city of nazareth never existed

It's on google maps:

Nazareth existed, but too late to be of any use in the Gospels - one of many things in the gospels where things of a later era are retrojected onto a tale allegedly of an earlier era (this is especially obvious with theological ax grinding in the Gospels, specifically the changes within a given gospel over scribal time and the changes Matthew and Luke decided to make to Mark). Greek misunderstanding of the concept of a Nazorean. Not the only place where the Gospel writers seem pretty unfamiliar with Judaism (as some seem to think 1ste century Judaism was still the same stuff they read about in the Pentatuch rather than a syncretic mix of that and Greek/Persian ideas.

lsiudfjhfhfhjh wrote:

[quote]gamecock wrote:

hardly anybody except the Bahai faith has ever wanted to be the next Mohammed.

Joseph Smith.

I guess the only question is, are Ronald and Wendy considered to be human beings? See clip below:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpRQhVd63Y8

Obviously Jesus is a figment of aggressive period warlords who manipulated the peasants. The same happens today as Obama uses Christianity to order mass murder by his troops against innocent civilians in East Jerusalem, Gaza, Afghanistan. Truman, Hitler, Stallin, Bush used Christianity in the same sick manner. I have no idea how any sane person can be attracted to a devil like Jesus.

The fact that people debate whether Jesus was real or not, and the fact that some people believe he was a god/man also counts him out. Jesus should not be mentioned in this conversation for these reasons.

I would have to say Mohammad wins this battle but the rest can say billions of people know who they are.

Moses

Ramses II

Confucius (spelling)

Mohammad (spelling?)

Genghis Khan

Leonardo Da Vinci

Napoleon Bonaparte

Hitler

in the USA we hear of Ghenghis Khan, Confucius, Mohammed, and Hitler. The rest are minor names.

When Jesus defecated, did he excrete Holy Shit?

GK is the biggest name for 2/3rds of the earth's population where his Army boys for 300 years toured new homes each week enjoying the girls and wives, re-seeding the gene pools of Russia, Poland, Bosnia, Iraq, Iraq, Northern India, Tibet, China, Turkey, Czech, Estonia, Kyrgystan, Tajikistan, Armenia, Caucasus, Georgia, Serbia, Palestine, Korea, Siberia, Hungary, Lebanon, Ukraine, vast portions of Germany, Albania, Azerbaijan, Latvia, Syria, Afghanistan, and places in between.

But GK never conquered Vietnam, Thailand, Japan, Africa, Americas, Eqypt, Ethiopia, North Africa, Scandinavia, Spain, France, Southern India, Polynesia, most of Germany, etc. So GK wouldn't be a big deal for 1/3rd of the world's population.

Just a few comments:

-Technically, someone can be bad and still be most famous.

-Why do completely off topic posts about

genocide/obama/stalin etc not get deleted?

-What the hell is the point of the Mongol posts that have been going on for years? Sort of a pro-east stance or something? I don't get it, apparently at least one other poster is in the same boat, and no amount of the same rote posts will change that.

I think The Great Khan is more famous.

The Great Khan's troops inserted their junk into our bloodstreams 700 years ago. The Mongols were the last of the so called Barbarians.

Earlier in Jesus's days the Goths came from Siberia and blasted Rome and Greece eventually settling in France. The Goths battled the Germanic Vandals who had previously sacked Rome and Greece.eastern

Then in 300AD Atilla the Hun crossed from Northeast Asia and tore up the Goths, conquering Netherlands, England, France, Ireland, Spain, Greece, Rome, and Portugal.

The facts are that Europeans today are a hodge-podge of various Asian tribes from the vast eastern reaches of the continent. Amusingly, we define ourselves today in America as mythical White People. In actuality we should appreciate the rich diversity of our heritage and study our true origins.

Mohammad isn't it?

The better Davis wrote:

The fact that people debate whether Jesus was real or not, and the fact that some people believe he was a god/man also counts him out. Jesus should not be mentioned in this conversation for these reasons.

I would have to say Mohammad wins this battle but the rest can say billions of people know who they are.

Moses

Ramses II

Confucius (spelling)

Mohammad (spelling?)

Genghis Khan

Leonardo Da Vinci

Napoleon Bonaparte

Hitler

I honestly doubt if Moses was a historical figure either. Like many other OT characters, he was likely a god in the canaanite pantheon, later historicized. A prime example of this would be Samson - who is obviously a sun god.

I am wondering if the difficulty accepting this stuff is simply modern ignorance of pagan/mythical religion or the oversimplified vieww e get of it coupled with lack of exposure to the texts of these religions. Think of it as the way Mormons who are unaware that Joseph Smith was a freemason believe the temple ceremony is some sort of thing handed down in revelation rather than being a knockoff from freemasonry. Of course, smarter Mormons have to come up with some harmonization so they don't seem stupid but also don't want to admit it was just an example of syncretism. When one reads the books of the Bible, then reads similar books from so-called "paganism" from the period and the similarities and overlaps are so profound, one has to do something with that knowledge.