RUDISHA WR 1:41,09

en action avec ma bite wrote:

malmo wrote:

Intrinsic is NOT an synonym for essentially in a colloquial sense, it means essentially in a literal sense. Intrinsic means "real value" not derived value.

The word you are looking for is "extrinsic".

You can offer the opinion that Kipketer's 1:41.24 in Zurich is extrinsically superior to his 1:41.11, but you cannot say that 1:41.24 is intrinsically superior to 1:41.11. It is not, nor will it ever be.

You're being silly. What's referred to is the athletic performance inherent in each effort. 1:41.11 is *extrinsically* better because we happen to measure athletic performance in minutes and seconds.

I guess then if Rudisha runs 1:41.10 tomorrow in 110 degree heat and 70% humidity with no rabbit and off of 3 hours of sleep, then it will still be a lesser athletic performance than today?

Yes, it was a decent time by Leo, but he needs to start learning how to run closer to the front of the pack and keep contact with the rabbit and lead runner. If he keeps running the way he is, from the back and then sprinting the last 100 meters, he will never win a race. He needs to lay it out there, take a chance at winning.

SourMouth wrote:

en action avec ma bite wrote:

You're being silly. What's referred to is the athletic performance inherent in each effort. 1:41.11 is *extrinsically* better because we happen to measure athletic performance in minutes and seconds.

I guess then if Rudisha runs 1:41.10 tomorrow in 110 degree heat and 70% humidity with no rabbit and off of 3 hours of sleep, then it will still be a lesser athletic performance than today?

Huh? No...

The real question here is whether David was intrinsically or extrinsically motivated to break the world record, or both?

Jaybird wrote:

Yes, it was a decent time by Leo, but he needs to start learning how to run closer to the front of the pack and keep contact with the rabbit and lead runner. If he keeps running the way he is, from the back and then sprinting the last 100 meters, he will never win a race. He needs to lay it out there, take a chance at winning.

Yeah, Manzano should definitely have gone for the win and tried to run sub-1:41 in that race -- it would've worked out much better for him.

Tanya Skagle wrote:

Rudisha's wikipedia page was already updated less than an hour after the race. That was quick work.

I realised the same thing too. I went over to Wikipedia and Voila! There it was!

oh dear wrote:

1:41.09. Awesome race- if anyone finds a link of the race video, please post it.

It needs to be said that this was not a race. No one was ever in contention but Rudisha.

It was a time trial.

It was a run. A Great Run.

In a race, maybe he could go faster.

Way to go Leo! Of course, hat tip to Rudisha...

Where the hell is Nick Symonds? In the weight room, trying to build his upper body some more?

Dude needs to get competitive. Leo & Andrew would hand him his ass right now. (Excuse me, they'd hand him his overbuilt upper body).

Why do guys like Webb & Symonds let vanity override their potential to be world class?

It was awesome and beautiful!

And Leo: congrats!

Haha, you know, I was just thinking about this the other day after watching an early WoW with Nick Symmonds. It's funny how a lot of people talk about how heavy Solinsky is, or chided Webb for his built physique, but no one talks about Symmonds who has more upper body than either of them. Dude could stand to ease up on the weights.

And of course, outstanding run by Rudisha. I think it's only the edge of what he's capable of. We might see something absolutely spectacular come out of Rudisha in the next couple years. He's only 21! Mind boggling...

We might see something absolutely spectacular come out of Rudisha in the next couple years. He's only 21! Mind boggling...

Hi, dude, that's not correct. I was born as late as I was 7.

en action avec ma bite wrote:

malmo wrote:

Intrinsic is NOT an synonym for essentially in a colloquial sense, it means essentially in a literal sense. Intrinsic means "real value" not derived value.

The word you are looking for is "extrinsic".

You can offer the opinion that Kipketer's 1:41.24 in Zurich is extrinsically superior to his 1:41.11, but you cannot say that 1:41.24 is intrinsically superior to 1:41.11. It is not, nor will it ever be.

You're being silly. What's referred to is the athletic performance inherent in each effort. 1:41.11 is *extrinsically* better because we happen to measure athletic performance in minutes and seconds.

LOL!

Thank you. I know what I meant, and I'm glad to see that others got the point; that "essentially" Kipketer's 1:41.24 is marginally (IMO) better than Rudisha's WR today, based on the fact that the first 400m of 48.3/48.4 was too fast.

deanouk wrote:

LOL!

Thank you. I know what I meant, and I'm glad to see that others got the point; that "essentially" Kipketer's 1:41.24 is marginally (IMO) better than Rudisha's WR today, based on the fact that the first 400m of 48.3/48.4 was too fast.

No you don't. That's NOT intrinsic, it's extrinsic. Period.

1:41.11 is intrinsically better than 1:41.24 becasue it is inherently faster, (time is a constant) it requires no other subjective verbal machinations to ascertain value. As soon as you weigh opinion into the formula it becomes a matter of extrinsic valuation.

they are worth virtually the same

- kip's 1'41.2 off 48.3 is ~ 1'40.6 off a 2s differential

- rudy's wr tucked behind a wabbit from 200 - 400 still hitting ~ 49.0 works out at a possible 1'40.5

malmo wrote:

deanouk wrote:

LOL!

Thank you. I know what I meant, and I'm glad to see that others got the point; that "essentially" Kipketer's 1:41.24 is marginally (IMO) better than Rudisha's WR today, based on the fact that the first 400m of 48.3/48.4 was too fast.

No you don't. That's NOT intrinsic, it's extrinsic. Period.

What is your problem??

I've moved on from whether or not I used the word intrinsically correctly! I'm not questioning your definition of the word. Note that my last post did not use the bloody word "intrinsically". I'm not on here for a grammar lesson, I just wanted to make the point that I believe Kip's 1:41.24 performance to be a better one in terms of the uneven splits he ran than Rudisha's one today. This is my opinion, I'm not claiming Kipketer was faster or that what I've said to be a fact, just as an opinion. And I'm not using the word intrinsically.

Happy now?

yyy wrote:

he wasn't even breathing hard. red flag! very suspicious.

It's called good pace judgement. He wasn't fighting and slowing down a lot in the last 100m, that's what causes runners to hyperventilate after a race.

Try it sometime.

lol he had it in quotes moron.

This was a sad day for me..my 400 meter PR X 2 is now worse than the world record for 800.

50.05 x2 is 1:40:10 so you're still fine dude. That is unless your name is a typo and should have been 50.55