hmmm, according to Bob Deak on flrunners.com, she has the body type that tends to hold out or endure. her father also mentioned that she has "the wiring" or natural build, to become a champion. Despite this, not many boys can say that they've run this fast as a 13 year old. That in itself speaks volumes as to the magnitude of this accomplishment.
i dont understand. how does puberty slow a girl down, if at all?
she grows -- often time putting on more tissue without sufficient capilarization (but if there's enough aerobic activity it should encourage enough capilary development). Otherwise it can be carrying a backpack.
realistically, she could probably get to the point where she runs low 15s, assuming efficient capillirization?
maddmattheus wrote:
i dont understand. how does puberty slow a girl down, if at all?
See, when someone is very tiny...they can move FAST. There have been many young girls that blazed impressive times at a young age. Take a look at Walt Murphy's Blue Book and notice performances by 10 year olds (Monica Scarbourough comes to mind) that are off the charts...but what ever happened to them when they got older?
When you learn how to run high miles on a small frame, it becomes harder as you carry more on it. Its not like it is with boys; get that thought out of your head. If you'd been around long enough to witness the pattern with young girls who blaze fast times it would become clear that the success stories are the MINORITY.
Everyone keeps saying Paula Radcliffe. Mary Decker. Cathy Schiro. Blah blah blah.
Monica Scarbourough. The Guntsch sisters. Erin Davis. Do the research. If she can still run these times in 5 years, I'll be impressed. But the only fast junior in recent memory that has consistently improved that *I* can think of is Heather Iaturo. If Nicole Blood is still looking good in two years, she'll get this honor too. God.
maddmattheus wrote:
hmmm, according to Bob Deak on flrunners.com, she has the body type that tends to hold out or endure. her father also mentioned that she has "the wiring" or natural build, to become a champion. Despite this, not many boys can say that they've run this fast as a 13 year old. That in itself speaks volumes as to the magnitude of this accomplishment.
The father is a PSYCHO.
This is the man who thinks its funny to mock the fact that people accuse him of being abusive. (Did you READ Mark Bloom's article??? Or see the crap he posted here and on fast women?) How is his opinion unbiased or accurate??? His other daughter BURNED OUT.
And as for Deak's comment...jesus. ALL 12 YEAR OLD RUNNER GIRLS LOOK LIKE THAT. Look at the Fung girls, Caitlin Lane...look at pictures of Nicole Blood or hell ERIN DAVIS AT THAT AGE. That and Deak's own son is a BOY and like, BOYS AND GIRLS MATURE DIFFERENTLY.
You are a moron.
been there wrote:
lets just see where this girl is by her senior year in high school.... no one will know her name. i am not trying to be rude or harsh, but lets be realistic. it is easy for young girls before puberty to run really fast. running a lot is also hazardous for their future health. i am excited for this girl, but i hope she can stay mentally and physically healthy throughout high school, let alone college...
Precisely.
Anybody remember Bria Westch? She's supposed to run the 2 mile today. She ran something absurd like a 36 minute 10k as a 10 or 11 year old and now can't win the Minn. state meet.
the above post makes a good point -how can deak or anyone talk about her "wiring" or her build and say she has what it takes? 7th and 8th grade girl runners all look really skinny and tiny. there are hundreds of examples of hs girls who looked like that at her age. bottom line is that the majority will get alot bigger. to look at her at 13 and say she will have the waifish runner's physique 5 years down the road is ignorant unless both her parents are very small boned and lean. genetics play the biggest role and her father is certainly not small. to make an assumption like that one would have to look at her siblings and parents and other relatives. that's the best indication of how she will mature. training and diet can only do so much.
the SAME THING always happens when a girls breaks a record at a young age.......................we (you people) question burnout.
can we focus on the PERFORMANCE for ONCE????????
....i feel like vipam.............
You need the coconut thing.
i have to respectfully disagree. what she knows now is efficient running style. despite growth, nothing can take away the skills she acquired over so many races. im 5'9 male, 234 pounds myself, and still manage to run 4:47 mile due to the skills i learned about technique, that, in my opinion, is more important than how small or how fat your frame is. this is the argument you hate to hear, isnt it? race experience often makes up and overcomes perceived physical deficiencies.
ummm wrote:
If you'd been around long enough to witness the pattern with young girls who blaze fast times it would become clear that the success stories are the MINORITY.
The Guntsch sisters. Do the research. If she can still run these times in 5 years, I'll be impressed. But the only fast junior in recent memory that has consistently improved that *I* can think of is Heather Iaturo. If Nicole Blood is still looking good in two years, she'll get this honor too. God.
Ahhh...the Guntsch sisters. This is where I say, "Don't get me started!" Short version: twas not a pretty sight watching the machinations of father Gerry and the girls 'back in the day'.
The worst thing for a wunderkind is to lavish attention/praise on them and for their parents to play central roles in their development.
Ah, the highly self-valued Scott H. opinion on child running. Can Mark Bloom be far behind?
I like this pattern. She runs fast, you write something stupid comparing her to someone else.
You simply cannot compare Brianna Jackucewicz with Bria Wetsch. Briana Jackucewicz has been running fast times since she was 8 or 9 at everything a mile and above.
Bria Wetsch never ran very fast for anything below a 10K. She didn't qualify for the Minnesota state track meet in either 7th or 9th grade, and didn't even place when she made it in the 3200 as an 8th grader. Brianna Jackucewicz would probably set the Minnesota state record in the 3200 in 7th grade, and almost did yesterday on the way to the 16:43.
"The worst thing for a wunderkind is to lavish attention/praise on them and for their parents to play central roles in their development." Scott H
It is far better for them for you to dump on them.
running 50 mile weeks as a 13 year old= fine
racing and having run 30x a year as a 13 year old= fine\
running the reported "hard" mile repeats at the manasquan reservoir as a 13 year old= not fine
If the girl was doing just easy distance, maybe some threshold stuff and strides I'd be tottally on board. But, she does and has been doing pretty strenous anaerobic, interval training. She obviously has the talent and ability to be great, heck she already is great, but...if I were pop I'd be thinking olympics in 2008-2012, not 5k at crappy indoor meet in 2004.
she has the potential to run sub 15 one day while still in high school at the rate she's going. Mintow told me she doesnt run any interval works, just moderate light easy running. Mintow says she is just naturally gifted and doesnt train as hard as other girls her age. Mintow also predicts she will run 15:56 next year.
in all honesty, i think you people critisizing her are jealous because you couldnt run as fast at her age. get over it, how many american men can beat paula radcliffe in the marathon?? not very many. there will always be exceptional athlete in each gender who are born with that extra something. 30 years ago, no one would have predicted that a man would run 12:39 for 5k, or a woman run 2:15 for the marathon. humans are evolving to be fit machines and i think brianna represents the next step in human evolution. i predict that within the next 10 years, the high school female 5k record will drop to 15:17, and the male 5k record to 13:32. People are getting the picture, and training is becoming smarter.
madmattheus wrote:
In the scope of things, I would put this performance as just as spectacular as Paula Radliffe's 2:15.
I was hoping that this was just a joke. PR's performance was in an event -- open women's marathon -- that many thousands of people compete in and take seriously. This kid's performance was in an event -- prepubescent 5k track racing -- that almost no one competes in, and the only people who take it seriously are nutty parents, nutty coaches (who are usually the nutty parents as well), and medical doctors who have to treat these kids.
At that age, female distance runners are like female gymnasts -- they may get better, they may get worse, they may tread water as others eventually pass them by. But predicting world-class performances down the road, based on this stuff, is like predicting Academy Awards based on performances in grade-school plays.
well maddmatheus, if bob deak says she has the body, then she must. He is after all a Doctor and an Excercise Physiologist right,
Oh wait, he trades collectibles, like Pokeman cards, which makes his opinion worthless.