American Record vs. American CITIZENS record

...a US Army base is US soil? I'm unaware that my homeland is still occupied by you yanks......but thanks...your idiot remark made my day!!

Heyyy wrote:

Yea butt... wrote:

Frank Shorter was born in Munich, Germany....

One of our greatest distance runners wasn't born here. Is he German? American? What the hell?

He was born on a U.S. army base - so technically that is U.S. soil.

It doesn't matter if it was on the base or off the base, Shorter became a US citizen at birth because his father was a US citizen.

I don't think I really care that much, but if I had to pick I'd rather Born-Americans hold American records. That's why I don't root for Lukas Verzabikas in highschool. what if Geb had come over here and broke all the AR's. You effin Liberals got America a black president and yet still pull out the race card. And on a Running Forum! unbelievable.

LOL!!! in a few decades the only thing ANYONE will even remember is lagat and HIS record, so this whole citizens record is BS., might as well be the REAL AMERICAN record and the REDNECK record!!!! haha

You damn rednecks will just have to run faster to get any record in the books

T.L. the stallion wrote:

I don't think I really care that much, but if I had to pick I'd rather Born-Americans hold American records. That's why I don't root for Lukas Verzabikas in highschool. what if Geb had come over here and broke all the AR's. You effin Liberals got America a black president and yet still pull out the race card. And on a Running Forum! unbelievable.

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Les wrote:

You must not visit the Lets Run boards much. There's a lot of racists here. [/quote]

Sickening...

and sad

I"m not hinting at anything. I'm telling you flat out that East Africans are genetically superior distance runners, a fact that should be obvious to anyone with a brain.

agreed!

Salazar does not hold the US citizens record. he is Cuban

he's mexican

La Raza wrote:

Salazar does not hold the US citizens record. he is Cuban

he's mexican

Alberto Salazar is Cuban. He was born August 7, 1958 in Cuba. He then immigrated to the United States with his family.

And you are a dumbass!!!

Salazar was born in Cuba...but he is now American

Get over it!

Michael Faraday wrote:

(Sickle Cell, Tay Sachs) because their immune systems are different. Genes code for all of the proteins that make up immune cells.

Race has nothing to do with it. People in Greece and Italy also have Sickle Cell genes in their population. It is not linked to skin color.

The way the rules SHOULD be! wrote:

Become a citizen, compete in the Olympics, etc. That's all fine, but...

If you aren't eligible to be the President of the United States, you should not be allowed to hold an American Record in track & field, either!

Great, nobody under 35 can hold an American T&F record. Awesomeness!

mr obvious...that is not a very good example?...very weak my friend.

Mr. Obvious wrote:

The way the rules SHOULD be! wrote:

Become a citizen, compete in the Olympics, etc. That's all fine, but...

If you aren't eligible to be the President of the United States, you should not be allowed to hold an American Record in track & field, either!

Great, nobody under 35 can hold an American T&F record. Awesomeness!

This was actually a really good comeback!!! "the way the rules SHOULD be!" got OWNED!!!! haha

I didn't say it had anything to do with skin color. I said it had to do with race. Skin color is just one of many genetic markers that determine race. Race is determined at the genetic level.

u r A retard. there is only 1 race. the human race. external attributes (hair texture, skin color, height, etc.) are varied and have no correlation to other attributes. exactly like for a car, the color of the car does not affect it's performance, gas mileage, reliability, etc.

Your Thoughts....... wrote:

I just saw this phrase on a different thread.

What are your thoughts...

Having an American Record (held by person born in U.S.)

and having a American CITIZENS record (held by American citizen not born in U.S)

Although this, to me, is an intriguing idea, I think that it fails to address what is actually problematic (to some) about the whole situation: that people can change citizenship and acquire "national" records in new countries.

First off, let say that I agree that this is problematic, on some level, and it honestly has nothing to do with racism or xenophobia. It's hard to pinpoint what exactly it does have to do with - perhaps it's fairness, but I don't really know. In any event, suppose that every top ten foreign athlete in the world, for every distance event, became a US citizen tomorrow, and soon all US records were held by these new American citizens. To me, something about this just isn't right.

However, the suggestion above does not address this problem. This problem isn't with people who simply aren't born as US citizens, it's with people who are already world class athletes when they decide to become American citizens. For instance, as somebody who finds something wrong with world-class professional athletes switching allegiances, I think that there is obviously nothing wrong with people Americanized at some point before here getting US records, representing the U.S. in int'l meets, etc. Good luck, though, finding a way to address the actual problem without being too over-broad. Personally, I'd rather let all qualify than have a blanket rule that bars any person born outside the US from qualifying...

The way the rules SHOULD be! wrote:

Become a citizen, compete in the Olympics, etc. That's all fine, but...

If you aren't eligible to be the President of the United States, you should not be allowed to hold an American Record in track & field, either!

But u can be elected to Congress or the Senate?

So you get...a different class of record? A regional record? How does that work?

so many rules...my head is spinning...