If Adam runs 2:12 in the Marathon he will be Salazars BEST EVER

Do the Hansons use you as a source? I have often thought that much of what they do sounds like it has your touch. You are obviously another coach here in the USA that understands the marathon. Thanks for your input.

Tough standards wrote:

American coaches don't coach the marathon. You need to move to Japan to find a coach that consistently hits those numbers.

I don't think that Salazar has ever had a marathoner meet those numbers.

Mahon has had Hall reach those numbers but that is only because he never put together a good 10000.

Hudson NOPE.

Larson NOPE.

yeah yeah, blah blah, yall talk as if the coach runs the race for them. So what the Hansons have 2:15 marathoners...wow. Amazing; shit, back in the seventies they were a dime a dozen. So people get on Sal for having guys who go under 13' for 5k, under 28 for ten-not to mention being able to mile under 4. But yeah I guess he sucks for having his athletes being diverse. Hmmm how many Hansons have gone under 4? Hmmm how many of MaHons have gone under 4? or under 28' on the track.

The quality of US distance running has never been better, so why all the bitching on Al Sal---oh yeah because he has funds, and cares about the sport. He surely doesn't need the money or aggravation.

If Adam doesn't run whatever time, hes done enough in his career...Jesus.

The coach gets them ready to race. Execution is almost always a reflection on preparation.

FlasSh wrote:

If Adam doesn't run whatever time, hes done enough in his career...Jesus.

Spoken like a true apologist. He will not break 2:14 because his coach has NOT figured out how to coach the marathon. I 100% guarantee it. It is sad because he has had a wonderful career thus far and he deserves to run better than 2:10.

Kara's 2:25 is better than a man's 2:12.

What impresses me is the obvious fact that NIKE/Salazar have not made the marathon the be-all, end-all focus of developing their athletes, to the detriment of their complete careers. One moves up to the marathon, generally as one's options at track distances narrow. Easy enough to take prime talent and focus it all on the marathon to the exclusion of all else. But you can move up and away from the track too soon, at the expense of fuller development, and ultimately one's marathon best. Does anyone seriously think that Ryan Hall, a 13:15 5km runner in college, has, in the long run, been well-served by deserting the track?

Salazar, to his credit, has focused on developing capacities in his athletes that he himself lacked. I admit I was one who shook his head two years ago when Rupp was running indoor 800s and miles. At the time he had the reputation of one who ran well in track events but was usually destined to be outkicked, much as was the case with Al himself.

Somehow Salazar has turned Rupp into a ferocious kicker, a complete middle-distance threat. Does anyone seriously think this will not serve Rupp well when he eventually moves up?

Here's the question:Who in Salazar's current stable can simply be called "a marathoner?" Or a miler, for that matter? His runners have run some creditable miles, but if one were to judge him solely by his production of stellar milers, he would be found wanting indeed. And it would perhaps be no less fair than judging him as a coach of distance runners by his runners'performances at the marathon.

What impresses me is the obvious fact that NIKE/Salazar have not made the marathon the be-all, end-all focus of developing their athletes, to the detriment of their complete careers. One moves up to the marathon, generally as one's options at track distances narrow. Easy enough to take prime talent and focus it all on the marathon to the exclusion of all else. But you can move up and away from the track too soon, at the expense of fuller development, and ultimately one's marathon best. Does anyone seriously think that Ryan Hall, a 13:15 5km runner in college, has, in the long run, been well-served by deserting the track?

Salazar, to his credit, has focused on developing capacities in his athletes that he himself lacked. I admit I was one who shook his head two years ago when Rupp was running indoor 800s and miles. At the time he had the reputation of one who ran well in track events but was usually destined to be outkicked, much as was the case with Al himself.

Somehow Salazar has turned Rupp into a ferocious kicker, a complete middle-distance threat. Does anyone seriously think this will not serve Rupp well when he eventually moves up?

Here's the question:Who in Salazar's current stable can simply be called "a marathoner?" Or a miler, for that matter? His runners have run some creditable miles, but if one were to judge him solely by his production of stellar milers, he would be found wanting indeed. And it would perhaps be no less fair than judging him as a coach of distance runners by his runners'performances at the marathon.

Saladbar Overrated wrote:

What Say You ? wrote:

Your intelligence is overrated, and your self loathing under realized by your self awareness.

You are probably right. Educate me and tell me where my numbers are wrong.

Who else ran under 2:18 under the Alberto watchful eyes?

Point out my errors.

Who else?

First of all, his name is Alberto Salazar, not "Saladbar," you shally fvck.

Second, he coached himself to far under 2:18 in his debut in the Marathon.

Yes, he had coaching from Dellinger and his Boston coach too, but he also had many advisors, took it all into account, and in the end made the final decisions on how much he did, and what he did every day.

You have both no sense of history, or a full education in it, or a sense of respect for the man and his achievements.

Like you have achieved 1% of what he has in life.

--Feel educated now?

2 comments:

First, Did some one really rip Larson? Really? Silver medal and NYC Win?

Second, The OP has a point. Salazar has largely failed as a marathon coach. Everyone arguing against him seems to be avoiding the issue. To this point he is a good coach that hasn't produced a marathoner, but I wouldn't bet against him coaching someone to a world class marathon.

I think if you insert THIS GROUP WAS SET UP TO MAKE AN IMPACT IN THE MARATHON in upper case letters a few more times in your commentary, it will make your argument seem more believable

Lardy wrote:

I think if you insert THIS GROUP WAS SET UP TO MAKE AN IMPACT IN THE MARATHON in upper case letters a few more times in your commentary, it will make your argument seem more believable

Obviously it was not done enough. Several of the idiot responders still found it necessary to bring up Coach Salazar's successes in other events. The OP was pretty clear that the discussion was to revolve around the "marathon" but obviously not clear enough.

Who are you and what is the purpose of your post? Is the purpose of this post to get a rise out of people; you can't seriously think Salazar has done a bad job.

...I don't get you and people like you.

Salazar does not need any defending, but his original group of athletes were are a bunch of hard working guys already in their prime having mostly national class success. These guys were good, but they were by no means the most talented distance runners in the U.S., Tim Bore, Adam Goucher, Dan Lincoln, Kennedy, Culpepper, Meb, Fam and Torres, were reguarded as the most talented; Al did not have any of these guys. Over the last couple of years Al has gotten some young track guys and as best I can tell he is doing a good job with these guys; by the end of this year OTC Elite will likely have half of the top ten times in the 3k to 10k. Most importantly, Salazar is helping build the infarstructure and plowing the path for future success. --What more can you ask for.

They are talking about the marathon, not the "top ten times in the 3k to 10k".....

The above post is exactly what I was talking about, It never once mentioned the "marathon" or "adam goucher as a marathoner".

That is what the topic is about.

Here is what the topic is NOT about. Any effect that the OTC will have on any distance other than the marathon.

If someone starts a thread that says Albert Einstein did not know anything about coaching the marathon, the idiots on this board would defend his body of work. But the premise is correct. Albert Einstein did not have any success in coaching the marathon.

The OP is correct in his/her point that Albertto Salazar has not yet had success in the marathon.

small side point Josh Rohatinsky ran 2:14 at NYC under Salazar before switching groups. It was a top 10 finish and has to be worth a 2:11/2:12 on a chicago/houston/london/berlin type course.

Him and Kara are probably the best measure of what Salazar can do with marathoners currently. No one, including Salazar himself, feels like he did a great job with that first group. Now we'll see what he has learned in the long race over the next couple years. What will Ritz do? what will rupp do when he moves up eventually? Will Kara break through for a big win or a sub 2:20? If so great. If not then he probably still has some learning to do with marathon training. As for Adam and the marathon, he isn't a very durable guy, I for one think it would be a real success to get him to the starting line of a marathon healthy.

How would you compare Rohat in talent to Nick Arciniaga?

I don't believe that Arciniaga has ever broken 29:20 for 10k? Rohat has been under 28 minutes. Who should be the better marathoner? Arciniaga under the Hansons ran 2:13 on the same New York course.

Keep in mind that you think that Rohat is one of Salazar's success stories.

michael t. smith wrote:

Here's the question:Who in Salazar's current stable can simply be called "a marathoner?" Or a miler, for that matter? His runners have run some creditable miles, but if one were to judge him solely by his production of stellar milers, he would be found wanting indeed. And it would perhaps be no less fair than judging him as a coach of distance runners by his runners'performances at the marathon.

Umm.... ever heard of Alan Webb?

Salazar stated explicitly that NOP was created to develop marathoners who would be competitive on the World Class level. In that capacity it has failed on the whole. It's nice that the group has had other successes, but the main point of the group wasn't anything else except marathon performance.

"people? You"

"Broe,"

"regarded"

"infrastructure"

"for?"

several slow learners wrote:

How would you compare Rohat in talent to Nick Arciniaga?

I don't believe that Arciniaga has ever broken 29:20 for 10k? Rohat has been under 28 minutes. Who should be the better marathoner? Arciniaga under the Hansons ran 2:13 on the same New York course.

Keep in mind that you think that Rohat is one of Salazar's success stories.

That one hurt. It smacked hard and right between the eyes.