Why isn't Cornell better?

Can someone who's a current undergrad verify the "SUNY -> Cornell" transfer scheme?

I'm a CU alum and know a bunch of people who ran for SUNYAC, and none of us have heard of this rule. Is it recent?

Frankly, if I had it to do over again, I might pick that option just so I could take Bio and Chem without premeds and prevets clogging up the labs and brownnosing the TAs. Plus save a lot of coin.

Professor Farnsworth wrote:

Can someone who's a current undergrad verify the "SUNY -> Cornell" transfer scheme?

I'm a CU alum and know a bunch of people who ran for SUNYAC, and none of us have heard of this rule. Is it recent?

Frankly, if I had it to do over again, I might pick that option just so I could take Bio and Chem without premeds and prevets clogging up the labs and brownnosing the TAs. Plus save a lot of coin.

I didn't go to Cornell, but my cousin did, as did a few kids I knew in HS (not really friends of mine, but we had mutual friends so I talked to them every now and then). The way I understand it is that you apply to Cornell University. Everyone goes through the same process. If you choose to go there, you go on one of two tuition plans. Cornell is a private school, but has some public land given by the state of NY. Thus, NY students pay (slightly) less tuition than out of staters do. Now as cheap as the SUNY schools, but less than the advertised tuition. This is my understanding, I'm only about 90% sure of this, so if someone wants to correct me feel free.

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theres no SUNY --> Cornell transfer scheme.

You apply to Cornell and if you look like a decent candidate but perhaps are not on par with other candidates you might be offered acceptance the following year, providing you complete one year at another institution, prove yourself worthy and can then enroll in Cornell the following year.

This is not, "hey I go to SUNY so-and-so, and now I feel like transferring to Cornell and they will automatically take me.

Yeah so I ran a 1:59 off of 20 mpw as a junior in hs. I contact rojo for cornell and he was like "yo you aint good enough son." So now I'm gonna put in 55mpw and run a 1:53.

I got an 800 on my SAT Math. So I run the 800, and I got an 800. Woot.

mommy and daddy give you everything too?

The Statutory colleges are Ag & Life Sciences, Human Ecology, Industrial and Labor Relations, and the Vet School.

The Endowed colleges are Engineering, Arts & Sciences, Architecture, and the Hotel school.

The tuition at the Endowed colleges roughly the same ridiculous amount that the other Ivies and private colleges charge.

When I went the Statutory rate was about midway between the king's ransom of the Endowed schools and the SUNY rate. But only if you were in-state.

Note the statutory colleges all have stupid names, while the endowed schools have names that people understand instantly.

My question was about the purported SUNY -> Cornell guaranteed transfer. Is it a real thing and what are the conditions?

The SUNY-Cornell transfer deal is not real! I apologize for posting hearsay without checking first.

It may be easier to transfer into most universities after one successful year at another University than it is to get in out of high school. That would only be because you've shown the maturity, ability, work ethic, etc. to succeed in college, which is very different than high school. If that is the case then it is no different than any other school. There is no easy way into Cornell. The SUNY-Cornell connection is just a state funding deal for particular colleges within Cornell. Below is taken from Cornell's website. It describes the situation (from the point of view of one college).

"Is ILR a SUNY school?

Cornell University is a private, Ivy League university with a unique public mission. Of Cornell's seven undergraduate colleges, three are state-assisted, while the other four are privately endowed.

The three state-assisted colleges of Cornell, the ILR School, the College of Agriculture and Life Science, and the College of Human Ecology, were created by an Act of State Legislature and receive partial funding from New York State.

The state-assisted colleges are partnership colleges of SUNY, the State University of New York, and charge reduced tuition for New York State residents. Although tuition is reduced, the rates are more than those charged by SUNY colleges. Cornell only accepts the Common Application available in the Cornell University 2010 Freshman Application.

Whether you're enrolled in a state-assisted or an endowed college, you are a Cornell undergraduate with access to all the courses, activities, facilities and services available throughout all seven of our undergraduate schools"

No SUNY to Cornell transfer agreement to my knowledge. Its just like transferring from any other school - if you have a suitable GPA/enough credits you're good to go. If not, tough beans.

hmmmmmmmmm wrote:

theres no SUNY --> Cornell transfer scheme.

You apply to Cornell and if you look like a decent candidate but perhaps are not on par with other candidates you might be offered acceptance the following year, providing you complete one year at another institution, prove yourself worthy and can then enroll in Cornell the following year.

This is not, "hey I go to SUNY so-and-so, and now I feel like transferring to Cornell and they will automatically take me.

Like I said before, you can get a guaranteed transfer to Cornell after one year of college. A senior in high school gets to go to another school for one year, and has a guaranteed transfer to Cornell (there might be a minimum GPA requirement, but it's not like you need a 3.7+). You don't have to go to a SUNY school, but it's likely the cheapest option for a New Yorker.

I knew a kid who was a wealthy legacy, and he got in this way.

And to the other guy who referred to the public part of Cornell as "SUNY," that's more of a just a joke insult at the ILR/Ag kids. SUNY-Ithaca doesn't actually exist.

I don't know of any athletes who got in this way, and I don't think it's a common recruiting tool.

Professor Farnsworth wrote:My question was about the purported SUNY -> Cornell guaranteed transfer. Is it a real thing and what are the conditions?

My feeling is that the idea that you can transfer from "SUNY Cornell" to Cornell is a misunderstanding of being able to transfer from a statutory college to an endowed college, which looks as if you are transferring from a public school ("SUNY Cornell") to a private school.

There is undoubtedly no real transfer rule concerning transfer from a SUNY school to Cornell.

There is no difference between the land grant and non-endowed colleges. Just as hard to get into, same instructors, you can switch betweens schools and majors as you please, etc.

Graduates of all colleges within the University all graduate from the same Cornell.

The only difference is if you are from NY, its cheaper to be enrolled in an endowed college.

Nope..asasd wrote:

There is no difference between the land grant and non-endowed colleges. Just as hard to get into, same instructors, you can switch betweens schools and majors as you please, etc.

Graduates of all colleges within the University all graduate from the same Cornell.

The only difference is if you are from NY, its cheaper to be enrolled in an endowed college.

Contract colleges are cheaper. The endowed colleges are fully private (think endowed as in "Harvard as a $30 billion endowment").

Ok, as a former Cornell undergrad, nobody calls it "SUNY Cornell" except for the people who want to disparage it. For example, Ann Coulter once called it that in an attempt to disparage a fellow Cornellian. I went to the private one myself, but even I've had enough, so just stop.

What might be confusing people is that SOME universities (I haven't heard of this happening at Cornell, but it might -- I'm not sure -- I think it happens at Wash U in St Louis) will give incoming students the following option: You are accepted into this university, but you *must* go to another University for your first year and maintain decent grades.

I don't know what this is called, or why it's done. Maybe if they've accepted too many first year students or if they want to make sure you'll adapt well to college.

asasmzcxv wrote:

What might be confusing people is that SOME universities (I haven't heard of this happening at Cornell, but it might -- I'm not sure -- I think it happens at Wash U in St Louis) will give incoming students the following option: You are accepted into this university, but you *must* go to another University for your first year and maintain decent grades.

I don't know what this is called, or why it's done. Maybe if they've accepted too many first year students or if they want to make sure you'll adapt well to college.

I believe Penn State does something similar to the lower academic profile students. They accept them to Penn State, but push them off to a satelite campus first for a year or two and then apply for a transfer to the main campus.

Do people understand what need based financial aid means?

It means, "oh, your parents make $140,000 per year combined, so they can afford to pay $25,000 per year for school, so we'll find a way to get you that last $15,000 per year". Which means you (ie, your family) still have to pay $25k per year, or $100k over four years. Sure the school is finding a way to fill in the gaps so you don't have to worry about being unable to attend, but it's way different than a full ride.

Compare that to a full ride at a non-Ivy. It's a no brainer.

Numbers were obviously pulled out of my ass on that one, but you get the point. You still have to pay what the school thinks you can afford to pay.

steve800 wrote:

Yeah so I ran a 1:59 off of 20 mpw as a junior in hs. I contact rojo for cornell and he was like "yo you aint good enough son." So now I'm gonna put in 55mpw and run a 1:53.

I got an 800 on my SAT Math. So I run the 800, and I got an 800. Woot.

Excuse me Steve, but I'd like to offer you a simple math problem to test your 800 SAT skills. As a true 800 man (on the SAT math, otherwise I'm purely a distance runner and can't come close to 1:59).

Prove, using calculus, that 0.99999999999999999999999...=1.

Also, I spoke to wejo when I was in high school and not especially fast and he was very reasnable and willing to talk even though I was way to slow to run for them at the time, so I doubt he'd say something like "yo you aint good enough son," whatever that means.

need based financial aid wrote:

Do people understand what need based financial aid means?

It means, "oh, your parents make $140,000 per year combined, so they can afford to pay $25,000 per year for school, so we'll find a way to get you that last $15,000 per year". Which means you (ie, your family) still have to pay $25k per year, or $100k over four years. Sure the school is finding a way to fill in the gaps so you don't have to worry about being unable to attend, but it's way different than a full ride.

Compare that to a full ride at a non-Ivy. It's a no brainer.

Except that now at Ivy League schools, unless your parents are making more than ~$120,000 a year, you're not paying much.

Cornell announced this:

The following year, 2009-10, the program will take full effect by eliminating need-based loans for students from families with incomes up to $75,000, and capping annual loans at $3,000 for students from families with income between $75,000 and $120,000.

So basically, from here on out, Rojo is able to get ANY kid whose parents make less than 120,00/yr and they'll only have to have $12,000 in loans at the end.

That's a steal.

There other Ivies are like that too: Penn, Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Brown, Dartmouth etc are FREE.

They should have no excuse anymore in track and xc (not to mention other sports. They should be powerhouses (though of course we know they won't because their coaches suck.)

Think about it: any intelligent kid can now go to an Ivy for less than his state school. If they're not dominating in three years...

This only affects loans, not the parent contribution. The family making $120k per year is still paying more than $20k per year out of pocket, the kid just gets reduced loans. It's not even close to free.