Do you apply those same rules to ex President George Bush Jr? Once a drunk always a drunk; once a drug user always a drug user? He never paid any penalty because daddy always intervened. Get over it.
Do you apply those same rules to ex President George Bush Jr? Once a drunk always a drunk; once a drug user always a drug user? He never paid any penalty because daddy always intervened. Get over it.
The Score Keeper wrote:
You say he had little effect from the EPO???!??!! Dude, it allowed him to come back and race more frequent thus taking money illegally AND more often from more deserving athletes.
Wow I didn't know that it helped that much, thanks for sharing your experiences. Where do you get these drugs from anyway?
For the life of me, I cannot see how you could be a fan of this guy.
Stallyn and NotaKidder, do you guys have a soul or is it that your kids are being coached by this fraud. Just because he's a good coach does not mean he should be coaching.
The Score Keeper wrote:
You say he had little effect from the EPO???!??!! Dude, it allowed him to come back and race more frequent thus taking money illegally AND more often from more deserving athletes.
how dumb can you be wrote:
Wow I didn't know that it helped that much, thanks for sharing your experiences. Where do you get these drugs from anyway?
The performance enhancing effects of such drugs are well known to anyone with even a mild knowledge of athletics. That's why the're banned, see?
Welcome to the sport. If you keep quiet for a while, you might learn something.
I'm 49 and I run faster than 16:20.
Am I a cheat?
Ghost-
you're gonna have to post that French stuff to prove your point. I couldn't find anything with iaaf showing B.Z. was framed. Dieter was framed, too, right? And with that being said, I'd have a beer with Dieter any day. I've had and would have again beers with Eddy H., but he still cheated. Lots. Period. However, I could care less if he is still racing and making $100. And he isn't the best role model, but he has plenty to offer on the high school coaching scene.
Pittman3 wrote:
I'm 49 and I run faster than 16:20.
Am I a cheat?
If you have a history of cheating in most major areas of your life, then YES, you are most likely a cheat.
By the way, 49 & sub 16:20. Niiiiiice!
silly old fossil wrote:
You don't think a Hansons runner was deprived of the chance to run for the USA at the 2001 World Champs????
Clint Verran was the only hanson runner that had attempted the marathon prior to 2001. And No he was not deprived of anything.
Ghost -
I've talked with Eddy many times and have always had pleasant interactions with him off the course.
But you don't know your head from your ass when it comes to the effects of EPO on athletes. And you're a lying puss-bag when you insinuate that Eddy would have run the same times and beat all the runners who weren't cheating even if he'd been off drugs.
You don't know why people get angry about this? Because Eddy cheated, stole money and glory, and lying a-holes like yourself tell the guys who should have won that money and enjoyed that glory that Eddy would have beat them anyway.
So screw you. At least Eddy keeps his mouth shut about this stuff. So I'm willing to forgive him. But you need to shut the hell up.
Can we all just stop talking to ghost? Of all the thousands of annoying f***s on this board, he has got to be the all-time champ. Every goddamn thing out of his mouth is garbage. Maybe if we ignore him he'll just go away.
ghost wrote:
I don't deny what Eddy did was wrong, but the supposed benefit he obtained from his EPO use is greatly exaggerated, and the evidence points to a short time frame during the time he used it. And you do not make a greyhound out of a carthorse. The tragedy of all this is that Eddy could have run almost as well, arguably, without the EPO. His build and background would have been enough for that and he did not need to use drugs.
The question of how much he owes is a complicated one, and without knowing the exact time period of the EPO use, people can only make conjectures.
It is mind boggling to read the amount of venom directed at Eddy. Yes, he made a mistake, and he paid for it, but let the man get on with his life now. He is a family man with kids and does not need this type of hostility.
Ghost in Saudi,
http://www.kfupm.edu.sa
Bull$hit. I raced against Eddy back in 2002-2004. Guy went from running 2:20 to winning Twin Cities in 2:12 or whatever it was. The EPO made a huge difference, not only in his racing times but racing recovery (recall the 5 and 10ks he'd race the week after racing a marathon- and this at age 40. Please don't try to argue his recovery was due to his slight build and efficient form).
Eddie was a cheat and and ass, as related by the accounts of guys who knew him pretty well. If the guy wants to race now, let him race... but cut the bleeding heart crap- the guy is no altruist.
If a race offered masters money, Eddy could be expected to show up - even if the races were on a Saturday and Sunday of the same weekend ... even if there were two races on the same day and there was time to get from one to the next.
As an open runner for his native Belgium, Hellebuyck posted personal bests of 27:51 for a road 10K and 2:11:50 for the Marathon. In 1999, Hellebuyck became a United States citizen. In 2000, he began dominating masters competitions, taking title after title, prize purse after prize purse, and even making time to dazzle his peers with superhuman legs in Oregon's Hood To Coast relay. In one string of jaw-dropping racing, Hellebuyck ran an American masters record 14:13 for a road 5K on September 7, 2003, came back with another American record of 29:08 for 10K on September 28, ran an American Masters marathon record of 2:12:46 on October 5th, and followed that up with a near-record 1:05:12 half-marathon on October 12th.
It wasn't just the times individually, however, that raised eyebrows; it was the suspicion that no one over the age of 40 could recover following such top rate performances quickly enough to post records nearly week-after-week. Apparently, no one could. In February of 2004, Hellebuyck failed a random drug test, testing positive for EPO. Hellebuyck denied the charges and exhausted the appeals process - continuing to race in masters national championships and to accept prize money when offered.
To this day, Hellebuyck refuses to admit guilt. And many of his masters records remain in place, a thumb in the eye of clean competitors who can't approach such marks.
It'd be nice if there was no list of cheaters in our sport, but Eddy is a perfect example of the fact that they are out there. And it's important that we don't become like those fans of the Los Angeles Dodgers who greeted Manny's return with applause.
It's important that we remember that "cheating" isn't a part of the sport - ever. That's why it's ... you know ... cheating!
http://petemagill.blogspot.com/2009/07/runnings-most-notorious-cheaters-bakers.html
The lawsuit is available in Albuquerque court system. it was settled
SoCal Pete wrote:
you don't know your head from your ass when it comes to the effects of EPO on athletes.
you're a lying puss-bag when you insinuate that Eddy would have run the same times and beat all the runners who weren't cheating even if he'd been off drugs.
At least Eddy keeps his mouth shut about this stuff. So I'm willing to forgive him. But you need to shut the hell up.
Because you're the drug using a-hole who tells kids they can only run their best using drugs.
wrong. Benoit never tested positive. He is a very good friend, I've lived and trained with him. He is the hardest trainer around. The french claimed he took DHEA which at the time was not a banned substance anywhere except possibly france. And he was not banned either.
Unlike Hellebuyck who took, tested positive, and didn't train
flg_ndn wrote:
To this day, Hellebuyck refuses to admit guilt.
It'd be nice if there was no list of cheaters in our sport, but Eddy is a perfect example of the fact that they are out there.
petemagill-most-notorious-cheater.com
And you Mr. A-hole drug cheat, who teaches kids they can only run their best using drugs, know this how?
Please explain.
The Ghost's posts are a fu@kin' joke. There is no laudable side to Eddy. He is a dickhead, and I know from having met him and his buddy Teddy Mitchell. Scumbags hang around scumbags. Bad for the sport, bad human beings.
ghost wrote:
the supposed benefit he obtained from his EPO use is greatly exaggerated, and the evidence points to a short time frame during the time he used it.
This is an astonishing statement, as are your glowing characterizations of Eddy. I'm not one to throw around allegations about doping without some very strong evidence, but I would be suspicious of anyone who chose this guy as a coach or a training partner.
Benoit Z. never doped, and the reason his form went down is because of injuries, following his magnificent 2:06 in Paris, where he ended the race with a spectacular carthwheel to show his astonishing freshness on that day. This was the culmination of years of progressive training, dating back to his Junior days, when he won the Euro Junior 5000/10,000 track, posting 13:40/28:30 as a Junior. Had he concentrated on track, he would have run around 13:20/27:40 according to studies done on his running form and vo2 max capacities, at the C.R.E.P.S in the late 90's. He chose to go the road and marathon route.
Benoit was also involved in a dispute with Driss El Himer over funding for marathon runners, and this caused a great deal of stress for him.
A recent visit to his neighborhood in Marseille (rue de Notre Dame) reveals that his neighbors had only good things to say about him, including the local 'epicerie' and 'boulanger' (food stores) where he was known to leave generous tips. Interesting that the place he chose to purchase a flat in Marseille is not a good running area, with no parks or natural surfaces nearby. He often did intervals running up and down Boulevard Norte Dame - a very busy thoroughfare in Marseille! Astonishing character - Benoit Z. and he is universally liked and acclaimed in France, especially in the South East, his adopted home. He had an alternative lifestyle, and many of his friends were not aware of his sporting fame. He is a modest, unassuming man when not competing.
Ghost in Saudi,
, apply today.