Malmo: Your take on 20 mile long runs high school runners?

ak4runnin wrote:

When I have to stay up late studying and such I don't really want to wake up earlier and cut out sleep. Sleep is a very important part of recovery. I believe sleeping more will be more beneficial to me than a 20 min run. So I sleep.

Yes, exactly. You've touched on a whole other training pillar: Do what works best for your situation.

I, on the other hand, get 9 hours of sleep a night and don't have classes until 12:30, so I'm up at 8:00 most mornings doing 20-30 minutes easy, and I think it makes my afternoons [which are all still over an hour] much better b/c I'm not concerned with cramming in 10+ miles on a workout afternoon. I'm also not from a high school program that was high mileage, so my aerobic base is good, but not 8 years long, its more like 3 years. So doubles work better for me in my situation.

All in all, you hit the nail on the head. Do what works best for your situation.

"About running a shakeout in the morning... I am still in school and I have 8am classes everyday. When I have to stay up late studying and such I don't really want to wake up earlier and cut out sleep. Sleep is a very important part of recovery. I believe sleeping more will be more beneficial to me than a 20 min run. So I sleep. "

Do you have to stay up "late" every day? No? Ok, then you can double those days.

To be honest, you don't want to wake up in the morning, so you have convinced yourself that it's better to do singles.

What are you basing off of experience? You're in college. Have you had an extended training period where you did doubles? Answer is no. So how are you basing it off of experience.

You think people that are going to go the 10k in college need to do 20 mile runs in college? More experience talking?

this is my favorite line:

"I believe sleeping more will be more beneficial to me than a 20 min run. So I sleep. "

You are so wrong here. And you'll never listen to anyone telling you that you are wrong. So, you'll never reach your potential.

Every good runner in the world does doubles. Why should you be any different?

Surprise! wrote:

this is my favorite line:

"I believe sleeping more will be more beneficial to me than a 20 min run. So I sleep. "

Mine too. It's no different than "These go to eleven."

"Do you have to stay up "late" every day? No? Ok, then you can double those days."

I do double once a week. My recovery day consists of a 5/7 or a 6/6 double. I don't ever go over 45 mins for a recovery run. So depending on how fast I am running depends on what my double is.

"What are you basing off of experience? You're in college. Have you had an extended training period where you did doubles? Answer is no. So how are you basing it off of experience."

Actually I used to double 3 times a week until last summer. This was for 3 years. I stopped doing doubles and ran a 39 sec pr indoors in the 5k. XC I pr'ed by 10 seconds b/c I was still getting used to the 1 double a week doubles.

"You think people that are going to go the 10k in college need to do 20 mile runs in college? More experience talking?"

Yes, for both. Well kind of... I was hinting at if the high schooler knows he is going to be better at the longer stuff then do the longer stuff. If you are going on long runs and feel good doing them, it will give you confidence. When you have confidence you race better. If you don't enjoy the long runs then go for a quality run of 1:30. Do what works for you!!!

"Every good runner in the world does doubles. Why should you be any different?"

I'm not saying I won't ever do doubles in the future. I find for right now I feel I get the best fitness off of singles. While in school HS or college you will get the best fitness off singles b/c your times is limited and doing one run a day will be easier bc it's less mental stress to have to worry about running 2 times a day.

Just one more thought. Someone earlier in the thread said every other sport does doubles, why should running be any different. I that thinking maybe I do double every day. I do my core and stretch after a hot shower every night(5 nights a week for core). So technically I am doubling like an athlete from another sport... Working out (technical aspects other sport/doing a running wkout) and working out(strength aspects/core and stretch).

I am just telling everyone what works for me and hope its helps someone out. So try it and figure it out for yourself. If you need to double to stay injury free or to race fast, go for it!!!! Don't be scared to try other things and figure it out if you a a young runner. You have plenty of time. That is what I'm doing... trial and error. If I do 10 different thing and 1 of them works then I have one thing that I will keep doing. So I haven't failed I've just figured out 9 things didn't work and 1 that did.

ak4runnin wrote:

My answer is this... if I am running a normal run of 16 then why do a 3 mile run in the morning. That would give 21 extra mile for the week, but 21 extra pointless miles.

The difference between 70 and 81 or between 80 and 101 or between 100 and 121 or between 120 and 141 is not "pointless" so long as recovery is adequate enough to avoid injury.

malmo wrote:

Surprise! wrote:

this is my favorite line:

"I believe sleeping more will be more beneficial to me than a 20 min run. So I sleep. "

Mine too. It's no different than "These go to eleven."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d54UU-fPIsY

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Yes of course those amps went up to eleven, how elso do you think they were able to give 110% in their gigs?

Doing long runs to gain confidence is like eating ice cream to get calcium.

This is the guy from Best in Show. Holy Shit. One of my ATF's. Never knew he was the same guy.

Hi Malmo,

Sun 15

Mon 5,10

Tue 5,10

Wed 5,10

Thu 5,10

Fri 5,5

Sat 10,5

Is the prescribed perfect 100 mile week. In light of summer where in this week would you add the SOM workouts (intervals and tempos)

thanks for the help

let Som 2011 begin!