I hate Rabbits wrote:
Hey here's a thought why don't you race them more during the next 4 years instead of waiting till the next olympics to be unprepared for their racing style again?
god you gotta love it when somebody who probably has 10:30ish two mile credentials knows more about training/ racing than a world class athlete and his world class coach and gets to post it for the world to believe.. get a life dumbass
Gees you are a-hole. All you got time to do is dog on Pro Runners. If you want to do that go right ahead but I here to say some of you maybe can't run as fast as these guys so shut your mouth and respect the men and women that run distance and run for America. Tegenkamp is one of my best friends and wouldn't have you talk about him like. At least he got to the 5K finals with the top seeded and fast time in the finals. I think you guys should take a good look at yourself and say we shouldn't dog a pro runner that can run faster than us and we should respect them.
Makes you wonder how Bob Kennedy ran under 13:00 for his size or Todd Williams who was built more like a boxer than a distance runner ran his times in the 10k.We wont even talk about DeCastella running 2:08 at 150lbs back in the 80's.
solinsky21 wrote:
Gees you are a-hole. All you got time to do is dog on Pro Runners. If you want to do that go right ahead but I here to say some of you maybe can't run as fast as these guys so shut your mouth and respect the men and women that run distance and run for America. Tegenkamp is one of my best friends and wouldn't have you talk about him like. At least he got to the 5K finals with the top seeded and fast time in the finals. I think you guys should take a good look at yourself and say we shouldn't dog a pro runner that can run faster than us and we should respect them.
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Matt Tegenkamp wrote:
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I have seen a couple of guys around town I think (I did a double-take when I thought I saw Simon). Are the guys going to be around town for a few days more? Also, good luck in the 5K, as I understand your doing to that race.
Also, great 3000 finish chasing Lagat and then almost coming back on Soi -- you are now 0.04 seconds from some great placings. Chris also ran tough and beat some big names; hopefully that will help him into more races next year (good luck to him in the Mile).
Further to my post above on the Beijing distance events, once more the IAAF World Athletics Final in Stuttgart points to the way Western runners must begin training if they ever hope to again become competitive in global distance finals.
The final time in Stuttgart (13:22) is certainly within the reach of a number of Western runners, but unfortunately to be capable of such a time they require a steady pace from gun till tape. Today's E. African led finals are not run that way at all.
So forget aiming to break 13:00, because winning times in finals are rarely that quick. Instead train to be able to race the 5,000m final in something like the following manner ...
The first four kilometres of the 5,000m final were covered in 10:55, and an average pace of 2:43/km, something around the 10,000m PR pace of most of the finalists.
Of course the Western TV commentators were bemoaning the "slow pace" but this is just lack of understanding on their part. The pace of the first chunk of the race is not fast these days, and it is an acknowledgement by all the main protagonists that they are not going to be able to "run away" from their rivals.
The "relatively slow" pace is an acknowledgement that whatever the pace, it is understood that the main protagonists would all still be present near the front with 1km to go. So why race the first 4km? The real race is going to come down to the final 1,000m. Purely and simply it is all going to come down to who can reach that point of the race with the most "juice" still in the tank, because that is the point at which the racing begins.
The first 4km were run in 10:55, which is 27:17 pace for 10,000m. Well within the compass of all the finalists...
But the final 1,000m were run in 2:27, which is roughly 3,000m WR pace or 3:40 pace for 1500m!
The race was won by Edwin Soi (KEN) who was not in the lead at 4km - so we can assume he ran the final 1km at faster than his 1500m PR, which is 3:44 according to the iaaf website. His 10,000m PR is listed as 27:14.
Second went to Moses Kipsiro (UGA) with a 1500m PR of 3:37. Third and fourth were Micah Kogo and Mark Kiptoo (KEN) no 1500m PRs listed.
The way seems clear: if any Western runner wishes to become competitive in a global final ever again, he must train to be able to run the first 4km of the race at his best 10,000m pace and then race the last 1km at his best 1500m pace!
Running 4k at 10k pace is not the problem. The problem is then kicking off that pace and running another 1k at 1500m pace. Races are not run this way in the West ... it's most usually gun-to-tape steady pace. So when Western runners go to global events they get thrust into situations for which they are completely unprepared.
Splits:
1,000m Moses Ndiema Masai - 2:44
2,000m Moses Ndiema Masai - 5:28
3,000m Moses Ndiema Masai - 8:16
4,000m Micah Kogo - 10:55
5,000m Edwin Soi - 13:22
Taken from the Cabral & Hadd thread "2 kinds of runners: Which are you?" Subject: "More than one approach to running and racing".
http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?board=1&id=2375989&thread=2375989
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This is all true. The problem is, sometimes the winner's 10km pace is 13:08 5000 pace. When that happens, I would think that you want to have a PB under 13:00.
What's the point of running the 10K, when it is the event that KB will rule for the next 2-3 olympics. Teg will get totally destroyed and even more discouraged than he is running the 5K. While teg still has speed in his legs, why doesn't he stop wasting time and move up to the marathon now ?
2-3 olypmics?
thats 8-12 years of dominating an event no man has ever won 3 times in a row at the olympcis....
Andy Williams wrote:
While teg still has speed in his legs, why doesn't he stop wasting time and move up to the marathon now ?
What's the difference? Aren't the top guys in the marathon still sub3:37/sub 13/sub 27 guys? so what's his speed have to do with it?
Andy Williams wrote:
What's the point of running the 10K, when it is the event that KB will rule for the next 2-3 olympics. Teg will get totally destroyed and even more discouraged than he is running the 5K. While teg still has speed in his legs, why doesn't he stop wasting time and move up to the marathon now ?
Lol this is the dumbest, most illogical post i have ever read. I'm still not totally sure if this person is not attempting a joke. I'm not even going to try and counter it, its just too brilliant