Usain Bolt 19.30 -.9 mph

MarathonMind wrote:

No need to be so dismissive and rude.

The straight is less than 100 meters and the curves are longer than 100. This coupled with the fact that he can open up the stride fully in the straights makes the difference. And it might be closer to 21/17 depending on where you start to count.

I'm thinking they're counting one full rotation of your legs as a stride... Like from right foot to right foot as a stride, which isn't the way I've ever heard a stride length measured.

Because if you double the 21, there's 42, and I heard someone saying it took him 41 strides for 100 meters.

Ja Maykin wrote:

Does anyone know if he's ever attempted a cure for cancer? Dude can do anythin', mon.

Yeah, I heard that he DOES have the cure, but he's waiting till the Olympics are over to reveal his findings so it won't overshadow the games!

sickening wrote:

He's undoubtedly on drugs!

19.75-19.30 = .45

(.45/19.75) X 100 = 2.28% IMPROVEMENT IN ONE YEARS TIME

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At his age my PR in the 5000M went from 16:08 to 15:37 in 1 year (an improvement of 3.2%!!!!!)

Just because someone improves 2 or 3 percent in a year doesn't necessarily mean that he's on drugs.

It's easier to count the full cycle since the cadence of every footstrike is a little much- and I am doing the best I can on bad quality videos anyway. I'm curious what more detailed analysis will show. For anyone curious, MJ's record had him well away from the inside line, and smack in the middle of the lane for most of his turn, so he wasn't cutting it too close either.

Here's some of the circumstantial evidence (allegations only, but pretty obvious from the data). This is Bolt's progression from the IAAF:

Here's the allagation that CAN BE PROVED. They don't even have an active drug testing ORGANIZATION in Jamaica, let alone a drug testing program. They most certainly did NOT have a program in place during Bolt's out of competition phase:

And keep in mind the date of the source document--July 1, 2008:

You can add to this, the comments that Victor Conte has made about the lack of out of competition testing (if any at all) in Jamaica, which, apparently, WADA has chosed not to act on.

The way I see it, the IAAF should not ratify Bolt's records--or any others from Jamaica--until the coutry has an honest drug testing program in place.

How many world records do you think Trevor Graham would have been able to get if he knew his athletes would not be tested--FOR MONTHS--until they went to their first US/European meet. Asafa Powell competed in Australia in the winter, but many Jamaicans did not.

Dude ran 20.5 as a 15 year old, doesn't seem too unreal to me to see this progression. Put the fear and doubt away and replace with with hope and love. Every so often, what you see is real and wonderful.

crimedog wrote:

Dude ran 20.5 as a 15 year old, doesn't seem too unreal to me to see this progression. Put the fear and doubt away and replace with with hope and love. Every so often, what you see is real and wonderful.

Justin Gatlin ran 19.86 at 19 or 20, Tim Montgomery ran 9.96 as a junior (would have been a WRJ). Just because someone shows promise doesn't mean they don't use drugs.

The Bird's Nest held its breath on Saturday as Usain Bolt rewrote the sprinting rule-book and broke his own world record in the 100m final, but only when his samples have been returned marked "negative" from the laboratory to which they were taken under armed guard will anyone exhale with relief.

No one among the 91,000 in the stadium who watched the Jamaican streak into history wants to believe that what they saw was anything other than the product of precocious talent and hard work. But in a Games that has seen fake fans, fake singers and fake fireworks, questions will be asked as to whether the most eye-catching results are also artificially enhanced.

The sprinter was not the only athlete labouring under the weight of scepticism at the weekend. The world's best swimmers - including the double gold medallist Rebecca Adlington, who broke one of 24 world records to fall in the pool - and Britain's cyclists also find themselves facing cynicism. Drugs have corroded confidence to the point that exceptional athletes, the very people the Olympics are intended to celebrate, now face the impossible task of proving a negative to put themselves beyond suspicion.

Bolt is unquestionably blessed with lavish talent and has shown consistent progression in performance since he emerged as a teenage sensation in 2001. His curse is to excel in a discipline that has been so stripped of credibility by his predecessors. His lightning dash comes 20 years after the most notorious doper of all, Ben Johnson, produced an equally devastating performance in Seoul only to be revealed as a cheat within days. Linford Christie, the 1992 champion, tested positive for steroids at the end of his career and Justin Gatlin, the man Bolt deposed as Olympic champion, was subsequently banned. Sydney's sprint-double champion Marion Jones, meanwhile, is watching the Beijing Games from jail as a result of her association with the Balco laboratory.

Before the Games began John Fahey, president of the World Anti-Doping Agency (Wada), said that Beijing needed a clean 100m to restore faith in the sport. If Bolt's sample is clean the IOC will know before he resumes his assault on the sprint double today in the first round of the 200m. Negative samples go unannounced and positives take up to 72 hours to be processed, so no news is good news.

Despite the weight of cynicism that attaches itself to sprinters, there are several reasons to have faith in what we saw on Saturday. Experienced doping observers apply four tests to establish suspicion; what the athlete does, what they say, who they associate with and their testing history. On these counts Bolt looks good enough to be true.

He has already been tested at least six times since he arrived in China, and had he failed any of these we would already know. The Jamaican team have been visited 36 times by anti-doping officials in what looks like a targeted operation aimed at sprinting's most progressive nation. Jamaican Olympic Association officials say that 20 of their athletes have been tested multiple times, including Asafa Powell.

Secondly, he has been on a consistent performance curve since 2001 when he won his high school 200m in 22.04sec aged 14 and was adopted into Jamaica's talent development programme. Sudden leaps and late-career advancement are viewed as suspicious, but Bolt has demonstrated only consistent brilliance in his career, albeit in the 200m rather than the shorter distance. Training methods for the two disciplines are broadly the same so the advances are informative.

Neither has Bolt's progress been accompanied by the whiff of impropriety as the IAAF monitors its leading athletes regularly and Bolt has been tested regularly. Finally, his feat received only praise from the athletes he left trailing in his wake. There was no one aiming daggers at him as Carl Lewis did at Johnson in 1988, instead there were only compliments. Everyone who was gripped on Saturday will hope it stays that way,

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I posted about this before, but the thread got deleted.

What is the fastest 2-legged animal on land? The ostrich. How tall are these things? Wicked tall (8-10ft). Once I found out about this (years ago), I figured, man... if there was a guy who's close to 7 feet tall who can get out of the blocks quickly, he'd have no problem getting the WR.

This was simply a matter of time. Are there drugs involved? I really don't care until I find out otherwise. I mean the guy eats chicken nuggets for lunch and dinner.

I am a Jamaican and am 100% sure that ALL of our athletes present at the games are 100% drug free.

When I read some of the comments people post on the performance of Bolt and his fellow team mates I honestly understand their suspicion (I would be suspicious too) but this also saddens me. To know that countries such as the USA have tainted the sport that much that human beings have now lost confidence in their own ability to do the impossible.

Have we become that stagnant as a race that we are not able to excel above past limitations?

It also saddens me that persons who obviously know nothing about Jamaica and our history with Track and Field can make some of the comments that they so easily make. Jamaica has always dominated sprints and has always been up there as sprint capital of the world but we have always been shadowed by "questionable" athletes but what did we do as a nation.... we persevered, we trained harder and dedicated ourselves to do the impossible, we didn't sit idly and accuse other nations of cheating, we left it all to time and God.

What other countries should try to take away from this is not to be so quick to point fingers and think the worst but to see the message being sent to the world by Jamaica - Up, you mighty race, accomplish what you will and Jamaica will continue to accomplish what it wills because our people are proud and want to excel at whatever it is that we do.

I am sorry for this long epistle but I sincerely hope that faith can once be restored to this great sport and guess what it will be restored and Jamaica will lead that charge.

Jamaica will win 200m for women (another possible sweep), 4 by 100m men and women so the world better get used to hearing our National Anthem.

Does anyone have the 10 m splits? Or know where to egt them?

Or even the halfway split?

Does anyone have the 10 m splits? Or know where to egt them?

Or even the halfway split?

Does anyone have the 10 m splits? Or know where to egt them?

Or even the halfway split?

Does 10.0/9.3 sound right?

Not saying that I hope it happens, but you should all save it for a time three weeks from now, because he could easily be caught/announced positive for something after the Games are over.

Like Martii Vainio (lost silver medal - should never have even made it into the race) and Floyd Landis (announced positive about a week after the test) and didn't Kelli White win two Golds at World's and tehn have to give them back for Modafinil?

Wait and see what shakes out. Maybe nothing but there is not much use in getting really worked up about it.

His WR's aren't any more of a travesty than the dozens of WR's in the 3k/5k/10k under 7:30/13:00/27:00 that have been happening for 15-18 years.

At least now the drug testers are going after athletes befroe they get to the big show.

which lane was bolt in?

whic lane was mj in?

Sean Bowen wrote:

I am a Jamaican and am 100% sure that ALL of our athletes present at the games are 100% drug free.

And I stopped reading your post after that. Out of competition testing - your country should try it.

Its damn near impossible to catch someone for doping if you don't test for it.

I'm 100% certain that if Jamaica refuses to test their athletes for drugs despite their questioned credibility, they must have a good reason for it - because they're all 100% drugged up.

Take another hit from marley's stash, mon.

ridethepole, maybe you should read more and stop reading the first line of what someone wrote. I guess after realizing that I wasn't speaking your arrogant gospel you decided to stop.

Well do yourself a favour and read this article which I am sure you won't because you are not willing to accept that whatever country you represent was beaten by little Jamaica and as such you prefer to say that Drugs was the reason.

http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/sports/html/20080801T230000-0500_138552_OBS_JAMAICA_S_ATHLETIC_PERFORMANCES_AND_DRUG_TAKING.asp

MarathonMind wrote:

Does 10.0/9.3 sound right?

Sure, it sounds right, but is that official. . .? I have been scouring the web trying to find them. Pity that they do not use the technology to get this info.

In the swimming you can see each swimmer's 50 m split times on both the NBC site and also the official Beijing site. Of course it is easier with the wall and timing sensors, but these days it is entirely possible to gather that data on the track, too, but they do not even have lap splits for the middle distance races!