MarathonMind wrote:
goddamn. It's like malmo's clairvoyant.
Not quite. I had no idea that Jerome Howe was putting up those kinds of numbers in the fall! Pretty impressive for an 800/1500 type. Makes me want to dig up old Track and Field News and read more about him.
malmo wrote:
MarathonMind wrote:goddamn. It's like malmo's clairvoyant.
Not quite. I had no idea that Jerome Howe was putting up those kinds of numbers in the fall! Pretty impressive for an 800/1500 type. Makes me want to dig up old Track and Field News and read more about him.
He WAS Big 8 champ in X-C a couple of times and made All American in X-C at least one year-maybe '71, behind Pre, Bjorkland, et all. (not that uncommon for some top milers). He was on the cover of T and F News in May of 73, taking the baton from Hitchcock and his 255 3/4 leg, enroute to a 3:59 leg win at Drake-from '72-cover story re midwest relay circut-yellow cover with map-pretty cool. He won the AAU mile in '72 in Seattle and then got the worst place you can get in the trials 1500m...4th, behind Ryun, Wottle, Wheeler. Jerry was a beast but didn't stick around long after the trials in '72. Too bad.
He was on the cover of T and F News in May of 73, taking the baton from Hitchcock and his 255 3/4 leg, enroute to a 3:59 leg win at Drake-from '72-cover story re midwest relay circut-yellow cover with map-pretty cool.
yes, I just looked that cover up on the Track and Field News website, under 'archives, covers'. seeing all those covers from 1973 takes me right back to the good old days. It was a great time to be a distance runner!
Some of these replies are so stupid and funny to me. Why run 140 miles a week? To push yourself and your limits. I am an old man now and have NO REGRETS. How many people give their all? I mean really, some of these replies scream mediocrity.
I set some great PR's and had a lot of fun (even though it was incredibly hard). I never made it into a top tier national runner - but my 2:16 marathon PR is something to be proud of.
I am an old man who still runs just fine.
I never ran sub 2:10 but running 70 miles a week and running a 2:30 marathon would NOT be enjoyable.
world class marathoners HAVE to push the mileage envelop to compete and win; but you can see all of the problems it can cause too.
Don't forget Derek Clayton did 160/wk while working a 40 hr week. He was so far ahead of his time he's very under appreciated for the tremendous runner he was.
What's the deal...screw it BUMP
Most everyone reaches a point where they do a cost-benefit analysis with their life. I tried the post-collegiate running thing for a few years. I was running 100+ miles a week, working part time, scraping by paycheck to paycheck, and having an okay time. Maybe I'll look back on it as "the best days of my life" but most of us reach a point where we're sick of eating ramen, sick of living in crappy apartments, and sick of being tired all the time. Maybe I could've pulled off the 40 hours a week of work and 140 mile a week double, but it would've driven me insane. I have accepted 30:00 as the best I'll ever run for 10k. My life would not be any different if I ran 29:30.When I see a 30 year old with a wife and kids pounding out 140 miles weeks without even a shoe contract or more income than $100 from the local turkey trot, I see someone who can't let go.And if you haven't already realized it, there are more ways to test your limits than by wearing out running shoes.
the old man nn wrote:
Some of these replies are so stupid and funny to me. Why run 140 miles a week? To push yourself and your limits. I am an old man now and have NO REGRETS. How many people give their all? I mean really, some of these replies scream mediocrity.
Hey it's not for everyone. You have to be gritty and real tough.
There's no shame in trying it and giving it up. At least you tried.
Get back to me when your in your mid 50s and you'll give anything to be back living in the shit hole apartment and pounding out mileage. Ask anyone of us old timers.
The 30 year old who runs 140 miles a week is no different than the 30 year old who does anything else a lot. I know men who will play 20-30 hours of golf week after week.
Obviously you can test your limits with other activities other than running, but hey guess what? We are on a running message board.
do not judge, lest ye be judged. one man's waste of time is another's treasured time. I would not criticize the guy who quits right after college nor would I critcize the 30 year old trying to break 220 in the marathon and sacrificing alot to try. More power to them all.
Can any of you ever sleep?
If you do, do you talk to people?
legally blonde wrote:
oh malmo and runningart, you're so insecure.
all my 100 mile week friends who were practically crippled by age 40, I love to sit and listen to their stories of knee surgeries and such or how they never ran another competitive day in their life past age 35, and oh, how they wish they could.
malmo, you were a great runner - so there is room for your criticism....
runningart, not so much.
So I thought about not responding, since so many have already kicked you square between the ears, but it's early and I have time to burn.
I've had to stop running due to injury twice in my 16 years of running. Once was the result of way too much speed training. The other was the result of crap shoes. Injuries are not the result of increased volume nor intensity. Injuries are the result of weak muscles and connective tissue. Strengthen your muscles, correct muscle imbalances, and have functional flexibility and repetitive stress injuries do not occur.
I'm 30 years old with a wife, child on the way in November, and work 55 hours a week between two jobs. I sleep 6-7 hours a night. I have no problem running twice a day and getting in 100-120 miles a week. My scenerio is a little different than most as I work in a gym so I have access to a shower and a place to store my work clothes.
I will be a competitive athlete until they scrape my dead rotting carcass off the asphalt. That is simply who I am. It defines me. I would be a different person without it. You can talk about "insecurites" or "selfishness" all you want...I'll talk about "jealousy". Your definition of what a "great runner" is doesn't concern me. I train hard and toe the line in defiance of mediocrity and the naysayers. I will be the 50 year old hacker who slips by you in your local 5k making you long for the days of yore when you were a little punk teenager or "college athlete" but are not lost in your own 9-5 mediocrity. I will be an "athlete" until they dig my grave.
Some people drink beer, some people go fishing, others play cards, others go hunting, a few go camping, a few go to the lake...I run.
Alan
I have no problem with someone loving a sport, any sport and spending as much time as they can participating in it. That being said, when kids start coming along, for most of us they become more important than 2:20, 140mpw, a low golf score, etc. In the end, time with them will matter much more than any other accomplishment you'll have. Trust me on this one.
Cotton Belt wrote:
I have no problem with someone loving a sport, any sport and spending as much time as they can participating in it. That being said, when kids start coming along, for most of us they become more important than 2:20, 140mpw, a low golf score, etc. In the end, time with them will matter much more than any other accomplishment you'll have. Trust me on this one.
I agree with this. I see nothing wrong with a guy trying to break 2:20 when he is single, or in a an open relationship... But if I were to try to do that with my family, I would be a neglectful father. Except for the guy who commutes by running, most of you are probably sacrificing relationships, marriages, etc.
In the end, kids are the most important thing in your life, whether you want them to be or not.
Yes, kids are the most important thing in your life once you have them. But that doesn't mean you can't get a run or two in each day, though it may have to come at inconvenient times. If you're felxible adn creative you can be a good parent and still do a respectable amount of running, though many might prefer not to.
Last summer pre oly trials mens marathon, runner's world had an article about 4-5 guys who qualified while living somewhat ordinary lives.
HRE wrote:
Yes, kids are the most important thing in your life once you have them. But that doesn't mean you can't get a run or two in each day, though it may have to come at inconvenient times. If you're felxible adn creative you can be a good parent and still do a respectable amount of running, though many might prefer not to.
I agree 100%.
I run fairly high mileage - around 80-90 - and manage to be a decent parent, at least I think.
I do think it will be more difficult when I am waking up early to drive my kids to their own sports practices/games when they are older.
Creativity is key, which is why I mentioned the guy who commutes by running. That is a great idea, and good for the environment as well.
I do think running is one of those obsessive things that can be all consuming though, so you have to be careful.
I invested in a really good jogger stroller and now I can take my kid with me in the evening for an hour run. I wouldn't want them for a long run, after about 45-hour they seem to get a little stir crazy, and rightfully so.
Inspiring. Keep \\\'em coming!
Go back to Page 3 of this thread where JohnnyBackpack had two posts - he's the commute runner - to and from work everyday.
Since I read those posts I could not get it out of my mind (especially when stuck in traffic!). I'm a prime candidate for it as well - 6 miles from work, already running 80-100 miles/week, shower available at work. Also a bonus - a track available right by my work.
So, I went out and got this backpack - $40
http://www.rei.com/product/762540
It's frikken awesome!!! I sweat ALOT, and this backpack has a good wicking mesh on the back and also a whole "hyration compartment" (where you can put a hydration pack) that's inbetween the main compartment and my sweaty back. It's honestly very comfortable and doesn't impede any form - haven't done a tempo or fartlek with it, but I don't think it'll be a problem. It just enough room for slacks, undershirt, button up shirt, socks, undies, wallet, keys. I'm thinking of driving in Mondays and bringing in my button up shirts for the week (or dropping them off on weekends). For lunch, I can keep some crackers, fruit, etc. at my desk and put a sandwich in the backpack. I'm starting off by commute running 2-3 times/week, but might mix it up w/ the bike too as training and/or weekly mileage and race schedules change.
If you have the luxuries of the following:
-Office is close enough for you to run
-Shower available at office
-Able to keep shoes/belt at office
You should really consider it - again, read the JohnnyBackpack posts on page 3 - good luck!!!
One last thing to note regarding my sweaty body....
If I sweat tons (which I usually do) or if it looks like rain - I'll just put my cargo in a plastic waterproof bag so theres no chance for anything to soak through.
k state -
ran vs hitchcock in JC. Knew he went to K Sate and know he did well at least \'some of the time\' - you have any tidbits to fill in the wide gaps of my knowledge re his running there. Saw him in a Pre movie in AAU or NCAA - don\'t know which.
I believe he got 2nd or 3rd in the Big 8(?) xc champs. never saw his name in ncaa xc champs races - that i recall right now
thanks