Marion Jones took a LOT of drugs - ledger

chemistx wrote:

memo heredia was the doping king for 10 years! supplied and designed different drugs for almost every track camp in America. Untouched by federal agencies, why?

Dan Duchaine was the man. RIP...

meddler medaler wrote:

Speaking of conspiracy. I heard that USATF covered up 24 positive tests from the 2000 Olympic track team and that only 4 were medalists. Out of that non-medaling 20 I wonder what distance people might have had their asses covered by the establishment? (I have a few theories).

Haha, what a joke you are. I heard that you have sex with small children, is that correct? Don't spout off bullshit like that without some kind of proof. Who did you hear it from, what evidence do you have to suggest that it is correct?

mobile9 wrote:

I don't know much about El G (Morocco has had its fair share of cheaters), but I have no doubt that Geb is 100% clean. Like I said earlier, go to Arsi and see the talent that's out there.

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I agree with you in that I think that Geb and some of other all-time bests are clean. The people on here that are just SURE that ever single top athlete is doped are as dumb as the people who think most athletes are clean. It is silly to be so absolutist. I do agree with the cynics (and this is where I part ways with you mobile9) that there is not a single athlete I would "bet my life" (or anything else very significant) that they were clean. No, that would be just too risky and too many athletes who have appeared to be "good guys" and do it the "right way" now appear to have been dopers (like Tyler Hamilton, Floyd Landis, and others).

But here is something for the cynics to chew on: it is quite likely that Coe was clean (no EPO at the time, no serious rumors of steroids or dirty associations, no major physical changes, no incredible jumps in performance, etc Yes, I am using some of the same "vague , unscientific" parameters to judge him that I complained to you about... :-) ). AT LEAST, he was "cleaner" than the majority of athletes that followed him (since bigger and better drugs have come into vogue since then, such as EPO, HGH, etc) and athletes that came before him (some of the steroids freaks of East Germany and Russia). Yet despite these facts, and despite the onslaught of great East Africans that have emerged in recent times, only a single athlete (Kipketer) in over a QUARTER CENTURY has bettered his 1:41.73. Incredible. If Coe ran 1:41 twenty sic years ago, shouldn't a talented african on epo, steroids, and HGH, etc (and according to the cynics, ALL the east africans are on such drugs and more) have run 1:39 by now??? Even a bunch of them? I would have thought so. But maybe the drugs aren't as good as we think, or talent is still the super-drug.

And this just proves to me that the talent of some athletes is simply more powerful than any amount of drugs. The same goes for runners like Ryun who at age 19 on shitty tracks ran times FOUR DECADES ago in the 800 and mile that very few athletes under the age of 20 have ever beaten, despite new faster tracks, new training knowledge, super-drugs, and the onslaught of the great africans. His talent was better than any drug out there. And I think runners like Geb and Bekele and some others are the same way.

Armstrong was caught with corticosteroids - then a doc post dated his prescription, supposed to be for "saddle sores".

and these guys should follow wrote:[/b

Yes and Roger Clemons, Barry Bonds, and all of the drug cheats in MLB should forfeit their records and return their awards too.

They should, but we're all better off if they don't. That will force the MLB and others to do the clean-up and that's the only way this problem might get half-way solved. If all the athletes who get caught simply forfeit, how will it ever get better?

It does make me question the accuracy of the timing equipment used!