HS Marathon recrord

Uh, whenever anyone points out to you an event Pfeffer won (even if it's in world-record time(!)), you then define the event as marginal. Nice circular logic.

As to your first point about U.S. distance runners...sadly, I can't help but to agree. From 10,000 on up, we're currently marginal. Hopefully in a few years, organizations like the Hanson's, The Oregon Project and Tempo Sports will change all that.

allknowingpeeps wrote:

All you guys need to do some historical research and understand, that guys like Mills,Young, Ryun, Shorter, Rodgers,Virgin,Salazar and a few others- set records(as you say Pfeffer did) but they all WON!!!!!!!!!!!!! on the world stage, not 2nd, 3rd's and "also rans" . . . .

Gosh, that's being surprisingly generous to Salazar. What did THAT guy ever win on the world stage? A few marathon victories in the U.S., but that's about it. (Don't get me started about about his victory at Comrades against a bunch of other over-the-hill ex-marathoners and slow-footed South African ultra-runners.) How did Salazar climb out of the "marginal" category?

And that Ryun guy . . . strictly a second-place finisher or worse, in all of the races that really counted. And Young -- that old fossil? He couldn't even beat that kickless kid from Oregon.

What about the females?

list the races that he won of any importance?

olddud1 wrote:

Hunt was in probably the finest High School class ever - 1976. Hulst, Salazar, Chapa, Hunt. to name a few.

At least 15 guys under 9:00 for 2 mile.

In so. cal guys broke 9 and didn't make it to state meet.

1976

Mile 50th fastest time: 4:13.5

2 mile 53rd fastest time: 9:09.8

I personally know Mitch and I'm a friend. I ran x-country with him at CSM (San Mateo) in the fall of 1976 under coach Bob Rush. Talk about a great team. We had Mitch Kingery, Bob Barnett, David Hull, Paul Mello, et. al. We finished 2nd in the State of Calif. for Junior Colleges that year (behind only Grossmount or American River?).

I then hooked up with him at Cal Poly State Univ. in the fall of 1978 they won the Div. II Championship with Mitch, Jim Schankel, etc. under coach Steve Miller. Mitch finished 2nd behind Jim S. in the 10K race (29:XX?) Div. II championship.

I ran in some of the same races that Mitch set the hallmark course records (we were the same age) and participated in the same West Valley Marathon in Burlingame in which he set the 16 yo age record of 2:23:47. I ran for Capuchino High under coach Dominic Mandella.

R/Gary Oliver

He may have burnt out after high school, but I feel he was rejuvenated in 1976 at CSM under coach Bob Rush and then again at Cal Poly under coach Steve Miller. He liked competing with Jim Schankel. He just simply peaked in performance. The best runner I personally knew.

I personally know Mitch and I'm a friend. I ran x-country with him at CSM (San Mateo) in the fall of 1976 under coach Bob Rush. Talk about a great team. We had Mitch Kingery, Bob Barnett, David Hull, Paul Mello, et. al. We finished 2nd in the State of Calif. for Junior Colleges that year (behind only Grossmount or American River?).

I then hooked up with him at Cal Poly State Univ. in the fall of 1978 they won the Div. II Championship with Mitch, Jim Schankel, etc. under coach Steve Miller. Mitch finished 2nd behind Jim S. in the 10K race (29:XX?) Div. II championship.

I ran in some of the same races that Mitch set the hallmark course records (we were the same age) and participated in the same West Valley Marathon in Burlingame in which he set the 16 yo age record of 2:23:47. I ran for Capuchino High under coach Dominic Mandella.

R/Gary Oliver

He may have burnt out after high school, but I feel he was rejuvenated in 1976 at CSM under coach Bob Rush and then again at Cal Poly under coach Steve Miller. He liked competing with Jim Schankel. He just simply peaked in performance. The best runner I personally knew.

There was a kid from San Jose CA who put in 1500 miles over the summer of 1973 and then another 500 in September..went to Leigh High School was a So. I think..ran a marathon in the Bay Area in November..cant remember the race..1973..and posted a time of 2:21 and change..do you remember that kid? Did very well in Cross Country as well. I remember he placed third in the race behind Brian Maxwell..but never got credit for being a high schooler.

[quote]sacto master wrote:

Hunt was a well known runner and once held the world record for 10k on the roads and 10 miles. He competed for Athletics West and was a big name from the time he was in High School around 1976 all the way through college as a top Cross performer, and afterwards. Other than World Cross he didn't make any big teams but his era for 5000 and 10,000 was strongest of any era until probably 2007 on.

Brad Hudson ran a 2:17 marathon at Chicago the October after he graduated high school but evidently he had turned 19 that year since he isn't on that US Juniors list.

The High School Record is Cathy Schiro's 2:34.30

Ray wrote:

The High School Record is Cathy Schiro's 2:34.30

Didn't she also place 5th or 6th on the Olympic Trials? Greatest American high school marathoner.

2:23:05 at Trail's End Marathon, Seaside, Oregon (this was not an easy course) on the last Saturday in February, 1977. The course is considered aided because it is a point-to-point. The finish, however, is approximately 75 meters from the start and 15 feet higher than the start (so it should not be considered aided). I was a H.S senior in the race. I believe Canadian Brian Maxwell won the race in 2:14.

Clancy Devery: 2:23:05 at Trail's End Marathon, Seaside, Oregon (this was not an easy course) on the last Saturday in February, 1977. The course is considered aided because it is a point-to-point. The finish, however, is approximately 75 meters from the start and 15 feet higher than the start (so it should not be considered aided). I was a H.S senior in the race. I believe Canadian Brian Maxwell won the race in 2:14.

sacto master wrote:

One other interesting thing about Mitch is that Dana Carvey was on his team. Sub 4:30 miler in high school. Mitch was a very normal guy, just too many miles early on. At that time a few of the high schools (San Carlos, Carlmont) in the area did mega miles and had a lot of very good runners. That high school (San Carlos) closed down in the 80's.

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Kingery went to San Carlos HS and Dan Carvey went to Carlemont HS. Two differnt HS they were not teammates.

sacto master wrote:

One other interesting thing about Mitch is that Dana Carvey was on his team. Sub 4:30 miler in high school. Mitch was a very normal guy, just too many miles early on. At that time a few of the high schools (San Carlos, Carlmont) in the area did mega miles and had a lot of very good runners. That high school (San Carlos) closed down in the 80's.

I saw an interview with Carvey several years ago. He said that his best two-mile time in H.S. was 10:11, so I have a hard time believing he ran a 4;30.

Aloha Warrior wrote:

sacto master wrote:

One other interesting thing about Mitch is that Dana Carvey was on his team. Sub 4:30 miler in high school. Mitch was a very normal guy, just too many miles early on. At that time a few of the high schools (San Carlos, Carlmont) in the area did mega miles and had a lot of very good runners. That high school (San Carlos) closed down in the 80's.

I saw an interview with Carvey several years ago. He said that his best two-mile time in H.S. was 10:11, so I have a hard time believing he ran a 4;30.

Look at the first race results: 31st Dan Carvey 9:49.6

Aloha Warrior wrote:

sacto master wrote:

One other interesting thing about Mitch is that Dana Carvey was on his team. Sub 4:30 miler in high school. Mitch was a very normal guy, just too many miles early on. At that time a few of the high schools (San Carlos, Carlmont) in the area did mega miles and had a lot of very good runners. That high school (San Carlos) closed down in the 80's.

I saw an interview with Carvey several years ago. He said that his best two-mile time in H.S. was 10:11, so I have a hard time believing he ran a 4;30.

Look at the mile results: 7th 4:30, Dana Carvey

The academic guy is Paul Gompers, who turned out to be some kind of economics and math genius.

The first time I saw him was in the 1982 (I think) IC4A meet at Villanova. He lapped me before I knew he was in the race. He looked to be about 12 years old and sprinting for all he was worth. It was like a kid jumped from the stands and started chasing people. He was as tough as nails.

Geeat runner and super smart-like Jack Batchelor and Tony Waldrop.

Gompers was in high school in 1982.

lmb wrote:

The academic guy is Paul Gompers, who turned out to be some kind of economics and math genius.

The first time I saw him was in the 1982 (I think) IC4A meet at Villanova. He lapped me before I knew he was in the race. He looked to be about 12 years old and sprinting for all he was worth. It was like a kid jumped from the stands and started chasing people. He was as tough as nails.

Geeat runner and super smart-like Jack Batchelor and Tony Waldrop.