Reasons why Teg needs to run a 10,000 soon

I have been reading this thread for days; for the most part this has been very good reading!!! Maybe the best topic on here for awhile! No one is slamming Teg (it would be hard to after what he has done in the last 2-3 months) Some very good arguments for both sides of the discussion. The things that a coach/athlete have to consider when making decisions. (sometimes money is involved when the athlete starts having success at this level, but hopefully that does not have alot of influence over what they think is best for Teg) I agree with the last poster "Go Teg".

I just wanted to note that i didn't think running a 10k was a bad idea. I just don't think he's that much more talented the longer it gets then he is at teh shorter as it was being made out to be.

Another interesting point about his 1500 race...Teg beat Said ahmed by over 2 seconds! Said a guy having a career year who's pr'd 4 times in a row, 2 in the 800 and 2 in the 1500 running 147.01/335.96. Beating Said that soundly bodes pretty well for Teg in the 1500 and 5k and is a strong argument that he may be pretty darn close in ability in the 1500 as he is in the 5k. If he goes out and runs a 334, then all of a sudden it's not so cut and dry.

For someone who has known Teg for about 10 years, I and many others would probably disagree with you and tend to think that he gets better as the distance increases! But, his recent success at the shorter distances is very, very impressive and many of his friends are pretty amazed!!! His "knack" in hs was he cold basically destroy people with his even pace and of course locally and state-wide got to the point where no one could stay with him after about 1/2 way through races and the few that tried "paid the price". I have to admit that he is a little bit different runner now. He is much taller and when healthy over the last few years he has done nothing but PR, time after time!!! Mrr82, I believe now, that it is fascinating what is happening with the shorter races with him; nevertheless, I still feel that he is limited to 3:34-3:35 in the 1500 (he has had a history of having some injury problems when running too much short, fast things in practice) If he can remain relatively healthy (and they have gotten much better in "cutting back" when starting to have problems) Teg will do much more amazing things in the 5k-10k (and possibly marathoning if his body can handle it) He has become much more confident and obviously has a very bright future! Good luck to a good guy!!!!!!!!

Zat0pek wrote:

Mrr82 wrote: His ~1305 is worth about a 334 1500, not a 330.

Not true by any credible calculation. Purdy puts his 13:04 at ~3:30 and change and there is a ~50 point differential between the two under the IAAF tables.

I know you like to quibble about such things. Just know that I know you are wrong and won't discuss it any further.

I have no interest in quibbling for the sake of quibbling. However, there's no way in the world a 13:05 is equivalent to a 3:30. By that logic, a 12:40 is worth a 3:22. A 13:05 is about equal to a 3:32.5...(on the all-time lists, this is what Teg's 13:04.90 matches out to). A very good time, but no 3:30.

You are supposed to stay with the shorter distance until you peak and THEN you move up to the next distance. For example, Steve Magness should move up to the 2 Mile.

I do not think that there is any rule on this; sometimes athletes may let their best distance "pass them by" then when chronologically it is time to move up, they no longer have the good health and/or the motivation to continue.

Got to see his 1500 this afternoon. Nice long drive once he took over from the rabbit.

Even with my expectations, I couldn't believe the pre-race commentary didn't even mention his name or his recent 13:04 but rather focused on the "characters" of Gabe and AJ.

Mercier Scoring Tables say 13:04 for 5,00 is equal to 3:32.2 for 1500. That sounds about right to me.

A link to the tables is below:

http://myweb.lmu.edu/jmureika/track/Mercier/index.html

he didn't seem to have to exerpt himself too much in that 3:36 1500 after watching it today. id have to say that i could see him running in the 3:33 range eventually.

Look what I found....should explain a lot!!

sorry the right link!

Training from Stockholm to Eugene

July 24-July 30: I got back to Madison, Wisconsin on July 27 after roughly 25 hours of travel. I was able to come off the 5K surprisingly well, but after the long travel and the hard race, I just took the rest of the week easy and got my legs back under me (66 "Badger miles" for the week). I thought that my coach, Jerry Schumacher, would get me back on the track for a light workout and clean out the legs a bit on Friday or Saturday, but he didn’t. I was a little worried because just running miles was making my legs feel sluggish and flat. I was able to get a 90-minute run in, though, which was really nice.

August 31-August 6: I knew coming into the week that Jerry wanted me to get some strength work in to help carry me through the rest of the season. I was fine with that, because during the first European session, I was not able to do any long repeats or a long run. So it was actually nice to get back to the basics.

Monday morning: 35 minutes/5 miles easy with Chris Solinsky.

Afternoon: 50 minutes standard run (6:00 pace), 6 X hill repeats, 5 minutes jog, 6 X 200m (29-27) with 200m jog recovery, 10 minutes cooldown. The hills are a strength drill run up-tempo but keeping form. The 200s are a speed drill to keep the legs used to race pace (clean them out).

Total: 15 miles

Wednesday: 8 mile progression run. Starting out at 5:50 pace and getting down to 5:20 pace. Two-mile warm-up and cooldown. Felt very easy but legs didn’t feel like they had much bounce in them.

Total: 12 miles

Friday morning: 35 minutes/easy 5 miles.

Afternoon: 3 X 300m with 90-second rest (3-minute rest after set) in 44, 44, 44. 2 X 800m with 3-minute rest (3 min rest after set)in 2:02, 2:01. 3 X 300m with 90-second rest in 44, 43, 42. 25-minute warm-up, 15-minute cooldown.

Total: 12 miles

The rest of the days were easier recovery runs, usually starting out slow and getting down close to 6:00 pace. Long run for the week was only 10 miles because of the 1500m coming up in Eugene. I wanted to double a little more during the week, but I didn’t want my mileage to get high because I needed a good time in the 1500 so I could get into the "A" 1500 races in Europe. Total for the week was 70 Badger miles.

"At the 5K at the World Cup, I really don’t care about the time at all. It’s all about place, and I don’t think I should finish any worse than 2nd. "

No respect for Bekele, Songkok and the fellas.

"Jerry and I did consider the 10K at Brussels, because with the way the season has been going, it would be fun to see what I could do. I really do think that I would have a shot at the American record, but it would ruin the rest of the season for me, plus I don’t think it will ever be out of my reach. After sitting down and talking about it, we realized that I could run a competitive race but that was not the focus for this year. I am still developing my 1500/5K, and the 10K will come when the time is right. My mileage over the last month or so has been just over 60 a week, and that is fine for a 1500/5K, but not the 10K. So we are sticking with the plan and going to really focus on getting the experience at the World Cup in a tactical 5K. It’s something that is going to be very valuable in the next two years to make the final at World Champs and the Olympics"

Pytheas wrote:

Well, it looks like there will be a 10K in Zurich, despite what the schedule says. Bekele is going for a new world record. I would be surprised if Brussels has a 10K only a week after the Zurich race.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/wire?section=trackandfield&id=2544516http://sport.guardian.co.uk/breakingnews/feedstory/0,,-6003755,00.html

There was NEVER a 10k scheduled in Zurich, the Reuters report was erroneous. In fact in the history of Welklasse, there has never been a 10,000.

This was an obvious error to even a casual track fan.

Mr. Marathon wrote:

Mercier Scoring Tables say 13:04 for 5,00 is equal to 3:32.2 for 1500. That sounds about right to me.

A link to the tables is below:

http://myweb.lmu.edu/jmureika/track/Mercier/index.html

A link to the only tables that matter:

I think Africa can only send one athlete, that being Bekele who just won the championship.

Exactly my point; he reiterated my post almost exactly (!):

maybe they read the thread, zat.