The REASON LeBron James can never be GOAT

VAboi wrote:

Kcuee wrote:

LeBron cares way more about individual stats. I just saw it again. End of first quarter tonight. LeBron dribbled out the clock and then heaved a full court shot after time expired. He knew what he was doing. He didn’t want the missed FG in his stat line. The GOAT wouldn’t care about that.

Whether he cares about stats is really immaterial to the GOAT conversation. Caring about stats and being the greatest basketball player ever are not mutually exclusive.

That being said, I frankly think arguing about the GOAT is one of the most hackneyed and boring ways you could possibly spend your time. There is playoff basketball going on right now involving real games and real matchups, but some people would rather argue about LeBron James versus a player he’ll never play one dribble against. Wild.

VAboi wrote:

Whether he cares about stats is really immaterial to the GOAT conversation. Caring about stats and being the greatest basketball player ever are not mutually exclusive.

That being said, I frankly think arguing about the GOAT is one of the most hackneyed and boring ways you could possibly spend your time. There is playoff basketball going on right now involving real games and real matchups, but some people would rather argue about LeBron James versus a player he’ll never play one dribble against. Wild.

Kidoee wrote:

VAboi wrote:

Whether he cares about stats is really immaterial to the GOAT conversation. Caring about stats and being the greatest basketball player ever are not mutually exclusive.

That being said, I frankly think arguing about the GOAT is one of the most hackneyed and boring ways you could possibly spend your time. There is playoff basketball going on right now involving real games and real matchups, but some people would rather argue about LeBron James versus a player he’ll never play one dribble against. Wild.

You can do both. Watch playoff basketball and still have discussions. Odd that you cannot understand that. The games don’t last all day.

mason thomp wrote:

Kidoee wrote:

You can do both. Watch playoff basketball and still have discussions. Odd that you cannot understand that. The games don’t last all day.

Where would you slot Lebron amongst the all-time greats?

Kidoee wrote:

mason thomp wrote:

Where would you slot Lebron amongst the all-time greats?

I would place him behind Jordan, Russell and Kareem, so possibly 4th all time. Remember that Kareem, Jordan and Russell played college ball, unlike LeBron, so their NBA stats reflect that.

mason thomp wrote:

Kidoee wrote:

I would place him behind Jordan, Russell and Kareem, so possibly 4th all time. Remember that Kareem, Jordan and Russell played college ball, unlike LeBron, so their NBA stats reflect that.

Well then, quite frankly, your opinion is meaningless.

mason thomp wrote:

Kidoee wrote:

I would place him behind Jordan, Russell and Kareem, so possibly 4th all time. Remember that Kareem, Jordan and Russell played college ball, unlike LeBron, so their NBA stats reflect that.

Well then, quite frankly, your opinion is meaningless.

GOAT convo wrote:

mason thomp wrote:

Well then, quite frankly, your opinion is meaningless.

Why? That's a reasonable and defensible opinion. Jordan, Russell, and Kareem all have more NBA championships and more MVP awards than LeBron.

4 Minute Mi-liar wrote:

crwnikeboy wrote:

He will never be the GOAT because that title belongs to Wilt Chamberlain. No one could score and rebound like Wilt, not even close.

Wilt is getting aged out of this debate... but if the guy could have shot free throws... I think even the younger people couldn't ignore is stats.

Wilt's biggest problem was that he rarely had a great surrounding cast. At the end of his career the Lakers provided that. But prior to the Lakers, the Sixers had some talent but the Celtics were all superstar types. The Celtics were truly in the league of their own.

VAboi wrote:

Kcuee wrote:

LeBron cares way more about individual stats. I just saw it again. End of first quarter tonight. LeBron dribbled out the clock and then heaved a full court shot after time expired. He knew what he was doing. He didn’t want the missed FG in his stat line. The GOAT wouldn’t care about that.

Whether he cares about stats is really immaterial to the GOAT conversation. Caring about stats and being the greatest basketball player ever are not mutually exclusive.

That being said, I frankly think arguing about the GOAT is one of the most hackneyed and boring ways you could possibly spend your time. There is playoff basketball going on right now involving real games and real matchups, but some people would rather argue about LeBron James versus a player he’ll never play one dribble against. Wild.

mason thomp wrote:

GOAT convo wrote:

Why? That's a reasonable and defensible opinion. Jordan, Russell, and Kareem all have more NBA championships and more MVP awards than LeBron.

Putting Russell up there is indefensible. It's not an opinion of anyone who knows basketball, sorry.

mason thomp wrote:

GOAT convo wrote:

Why? That's a reasonable and defensible opinion. Jordan, Russell, and Kareem all have more NBA championships and more MVP awards than LeBron.

Putting Russell up there is indefensible. It's not an opinion of anyone who knows basketball, sorry.

Kidoee wrote:

mason thomp wrote:

Putting Russell up there is indefensible. It's not an opinion of anyone who knows basketball, sorry.

Educate yourself kid.

Watch on YouTube

Kidoee wrote:

VAboi wrote:

Whether he cares about stats is really immaterial to the GOAT conversation. Caring about stats and being the greatest basketball player ever are not mutually exclusive.

That being said, I frankly think arguing about the GOAT is one of the most hackneyed and boring ways you could possibly spend your time. There is playoff basketball going on right now involving real games and real matchups, but some people would rather argue about LeBron James versus a player he’ll never play one dribble against. Wild.

You can do both. Watch playoff basketball and still have discussions. Odd that you cannot understand that. The games don’t last all day.

VAboi wrote:

My point was that instead of discussing the new basketball going on right now, people want to talk about an old, beat-to-death, cable TV debate-show topic featuring two players who never faced each other from two different eras. You can definitely do both, I’m just questioning why you’d want to waste your time talking about some certified dumb sh*t when we’ve got real games to talk about.

Go ahead though, I’m sure you have a fresh take on the LeBron versus Jordan debate that everyone wants to hear.

Draymond wrote:

GOAT status unlocked wrote:

Speaking of playing baseball. The year Jordan played baseball, how did the Bulls do without him?

55-27 vs. 57-25 with Jordan the year before. Second round exit though.

The Cavs went from 61-21 to 19-63 the first time LeBron left. When he left Miami they went from 54-28 and the Finals to 37-45. When he left Cleveland the second time they went from 50-32 and the Finals to 19-63.

GOAT status unlocked wrote:

PCRF-Guy wrote:

Individual stats aren’t the problem.
Here are some names for you: Steph Curry, Kevin Durant, Dirk Nowitzki, Tim Duncan. The best players in LeBron’s era. All beat him in the finals.

Here are some other names: Charles Barkley, Patrick Ewing, Clyde Drexler, Karl Malone. Hall of famers who couldn’t get a ring while Jordan was in the league. Drexler and Hakeem got their rings while he was playing baseball.

Drexler and Hakeem got their second ring the year Jordan’s Bulls lost to Orlando.

GOAT convo wrote:

mason thomp wrote:

Putting Russell up there is indefensible. It's not an opinion of anyone who knows basketball, sorry.

He's the greatest winner in NBA history. If you're talking Greatest of ALL TIME, his accomplishments shouldn't be dismissed.

What percentage of people today who know basketball are old enough to remember watching Russell play?