Rodgers and Beardsley both chose quantity over quality, but they were talented enough they had some good ones.
When did Rodgers ever run a sub-par marathon?
Billy is a legend in the sport and the marathon is notoriously challenging, so I am not criticizing Billy but I am sure there are times Billy ran an extra marathon for money and who can blame him. He was popular and very good at it.
Billy is a legend in the sport and the marathon is notoriously challenging, so I am not criticizing Billy but I am sure there are times Billy ran an extra marathon for money and who can blame him. He was popular and very good at it.
During his prime from 1975 to 1980, and accept for the 1976 Olympics, he ran nothing but fast in the marathon. Rodgers ran for money in shorter road races and not the marathon. He was no Kawauchi.
Who? That guy wasn't born until 1985 and he's telling us how it was in the 70s and 80s? Guys (Shorter and Rodgers) were running 2-3 marathons a year -- sometimes more. EOT
Billy is a legend in the sport and the marathon is notoriously challenging, so I am not criticizing Billy but I am sure there are times Billy ran an extra marathon for money and who can blame him. He was popular and very good at it.
During his prime from 1975 to 1980, and accept for the 1976 Olympics, he ran nothing but fast in the marathon. Rodgers ran for money in shorter road races and not the marathon. He was no Kawauchi.
The list provided does not include the '77 Boston race of which Rodgers didn't finish. Having said that, he did have a remarkable roughly 4 years of high level marathoning with extremely limited glitches.
Who? That guy wasn't born until 1985 and he's telling us how it was in the 70s and 80s? Guys (Shorter and Rodgers) were running 2-3 marathons a year -- sometimes more. EOT
So you believe that you have to have been alive to write about a previous period of time? Ever heard of a historian? So you would admit you know almost nothing about the 1950s? I don’t believe that.
Right. You can see overtraining but Eyestone can’t. He has about 30 years coaching experience and was an elite runner before that. Do you believe Eyestone, who’s been revered on LR, is an idiot? You can have an opinion, but what experience is it based upon?
Instead of focusing on the experience of those who have commented on why Mantz had to pull out of Boston, consider the merits of what's been said.
It's been said that Mantz doesn't take breaks after his marathon races. Should an athlete take a break after a marathon? Yes.
It's been said that Mantz ran a marathon with his wife just a few weeks after Chicago. Although he was just jogging it, was it a good idea to run a marathon so soon after his American Record effort in Chicago? No. Did it get him injured? Apparently.
It's been said that Mantz was overly aggressive in ramping up his mileage and cramming in training for Boston. Did it work? No.
With all of Eyestone's credentials and all of Mantz's accolades, Mantz is unable to compete at Boston. It's ok to point out why. Elite coaching/racing experience isn't necessary.
Your lack of experience is numbing. Too many "wannabe" elite runners/coaches talk so much sh^t on these boards. When ya'll post your opinions and so-called "advice" on subjects you have little knowledge or experience about, its SOOOOOOO obvious. After reading a post that I don't understand or need clarification, in my reply I'll ask for clarification and the source of the comment in question, and guess what?...No reply back! Why is that? It's because the person who's posting doesn't know what they're talking about.
Regarding Conner Mantz, Ed Eyestone has said that Conner is very difficult to coach with regard to him always wanting to train hard, and getting him to "pull back" and rest more. It's a coaches dream to have such a dedicated and driven athlete, yet it can be a nightmare at times. Conner's success is directly related to how he trains and races, and no one can argue about his success. It's the way he's built. Conner clearly knows what works for him, and riding the razor's edge with his training and racing is who he is, and if injuries happen, so be it. As a coach (with invaluable experience) like Ed Eyestone, it's his job to put fuel on the competitive fire, while at the same time not let the house burn down. Conner's career will be a tug o' war between himself and Ed, but that is what it is, and hopefully along the way they'll experience more success than failure.
This could be the most idiotic-stupid comment ever:
Many people recommended 1-2 marathons per year. You are really stupid if you cannot grasp this. I can name names and I provided a link.
Again the advice is out there. I never commented on the merits of the advice. I could run under 2:20 and feel fine a couple days later. Not everyone can though.
#The number of marathons you can run in a year depends on your experience, physical condition, and how you plan your training and recovery. Are you ready to run a marathon? Before asking yourself how many marathons you can ru...
Unfortunately you’re correct. Samples split in half going to two labs, double blinds, etc to offset officials continuing to rig things. All kinds of possibilities.
That's stupid. Samples are split in two A, and B, to preserve the chain of custody. There is no opportunity to rig things.
Chain of custody is BS in many cases. And sample manipulation is a real thing. What do you think actually saved Bernie Lagat? politics is a real thing.
That's stupid. Samples are split in two A, and B, to preserve the chain of custody. There is no opportunity to rig things.
Chain of custody is BS in many cases. And sample manipulation is a real thing. What do you think actually saved Bernie Lagat? politics is a real thing.
Well, yeah. Results info etc has been changed and covered up for decades, especially for American sprinters and African diatance runners.
Your lack of experience is numbing. Too many "wannabe" elite runners/coaches talk so much sh^t on these boards. When ya'll post your opinions and so-called "advice" on subjects you have little knowledge or experience about, its SOOOOOOO obvious. After reading a post that I don't understand or need clarification, in my reply I'll ask for clarification and the source of the comment in question, and guess what?...No reply back! Why is that? It's because the person who's posting doesn't know what they're talking about.
Regarding Conner Mantz, Ed Eyestone has said that Conner is very difficult to coach with regard to him always wanting to train hard, and getting him to "pull back" and rest more. It's a coaches dream to have such a dedicated and driven athlete, yet it can be a nightmare at times. Conner's success is directly related to how he trains and races, and no one can argue about his success. It's the way he's built. Conner clearly knows what works for him, and riding the razor's edge with his training and racing is who he is, and if injuries happen, so be it. As a coach (with invaluable experience) like Ed Eyestone, it's his job to put fuel on the competitive fire, while at the same time not let the house burn down. Conner's career will be a tug o' war between himself and Ed, but that is what it is, and hopefully along the way they'll experience more success than failure.
This could be the most idiotic-stupid comment ever:
Again, your lack of "Experience" and "Knowledge" is numbing.
Your ad hominem argument failed to address my points. Again, consider the merits of what's been said.
It's reasonable to say Mantz should take more of a break after his marathons, it wasn't a good idea to run that marathon with his wife so soon after Chicago, and trying to get ready for Boston in such a short time coming off a stress fracture didn't work out.
Mantz himself cited the marathon with his wife as one of the factors that caused him to get injured. His words:
"stress fracture, among other things. Happened through a combination of building up too fast after Chicago (mileage, workouts, and heavy weightlifting at the same time), running a marathon with my wife, not being diligent with nutrition (probably was underfueled heading into the marathon with my wife) and lack of proper sleep. I think I could’ve done 3 or 4 things and been fine for a few weeks, but lacking in the 2 most important ways to recover (sleep and nutrition), starting to build up 3 things in a short period, and finishing a marathon in the same week was too much at once."
He did too much too soon after Chicago, and he tried to do too much too soon coming back from injury.
None of the above is "talking sh^t" about Mantz. It's reasonable commentary. I like Mantz and cheered for him from the stands while he was racing at Pre last summer. I want him to do well.
None of the above means that Eyestone is an "idiot" as Kickers asked on the previous page. Eyestone's résumé speaks for itself. He's clearly one of the best coaches we have in the country, and any marathoner hoping to make a US Olympic team would be lucky to be coached by him. Yes, part of coaching Mantz is the challenge of reining him in.
If elite coaching/racing experience was necessary for fans of the sport to have an opinion, then there would be little point to having this message board.
If you want to try to refute what I've said, be my guest. Just spare me the petty insults.
Right. You can see overtraining but Eyestone can’t. He has about 30 years coaching experience and was an elite runner before that. Do you believe Eyestone, who’s been revered on LR, is an idiot? You can have an opinion, but what experience is it based upon?
Wait, some random yahoo on letsrun who goes by uh oh spaghettio knows more than one of the best coaches in the world? That happens every day at LRC.
why are you doing this? this is a message board of running website is about Conner Mantz! I'm simply trying to stay on topic to contribute to the discussion of this thread! And you are derailing the thread with your ad hominem attacks against me. PLEASE STOP
Wait, some random yahoo on letsrun who goes by uh oh spaghettio knows more than one of the best coaches in the world? That happens every day at LRC.
why are you doing this? this is a message board of running website is about Conner Mantz! I'm simply trying to stay on topic to contribute to the discussion of this thread! And you are derailing the thread with your ad hominem attacks against me. PLEASE STOP
Your lack of experience is numbing. Too many "wannabe" elite runners/coaches talk so much sh^t on these boards. When ya'll post your opinions and so-called "advice" on subjects you have little knowledge or experience about, its SOOOOOOO obvious. After reading a post that I don't understand or need clarification, in my reply I'll ask for clarification and the source of the comment in question, and guess what?...No reply back! Why is that? It's because the person who's posting doesn't know what they're talking about.
Regarding Conner Mantz, Ed Eyestone has said that Conner is very difficult to coach with regard to him always wanting to train hard, and getting him to "pull back" and rest more. It's a coaches dream to have such a dedicated and driven athlete, yet it can be a nightmare at times. Conner's success is directly related to how he trains and races, and no one can argue about his success. It's the way he's built. Conner clearly knows what works for him, and riding the razor's edge with his training and racing is who he is, and if injuries happen, so be it. As a coach (with invaluable experience) like Ed Eyestone, it's his job to put fuel on the competitive fire, while at the same time not let the house burn down. Conner's career will be a tug o' war between himself and Ed, but that is what it is, and hopefully along the way they'll experience more success than failure.
This could be the most idiotic-stupid comment ever:
Again, your lack of "Experience" and "Knowledge" is numbing.
Your ad hominem argument failed to address my points. Again, consider the merits of what's been said.
It's reasonable to say Mantz should take more of a break after his marathons, it wasn't a good idea to run that marathon with his wife so soon after Chicago, and trying to get ready for Boston in such a short time coming off a stress fracture didn't work out.
Mantz himself cited the marathon with his wife as one of the factors that caused him to get injured. His words:
"stress fracture, among other things. Happened through a combination of building up too fast after Chicago (mileage, workouts, and heavy weightlifting at the same time), running a marathon with my wife, not being diligent with nutrition (probably was underfueled heading into the marathon with my wife) and lack of proper sleep. I think I could’ve done 3 or 4 things and been fine for a few weeks, but lacking in the 2 most important ways to recover (sleep and nutrition), starting to build up 3 things in a short period, and finishing a marathon in the same week was too much at once."
He did too much too soon after Chicago, and he tried to do too much too soon coming back from injury.
None of the above is "talking sh^t" about Mantz. It's reasonable commentary. I like Mantz and cheered for him from the stands while he was racing at Pre last summer. I want him to do well.
None of the above means that Eyestone is an "idiot" as Kickers asked on the previous page. Eyestone's résumé speaks for itself. He's clearly one of the best coaches we have in the country, and any marathoner hoping to make a US Olympic team would be lucky to be coached by him. Yes, part of coaching Mantz is the challenge of reining him in.
If elite coaching/racing experience was necessary for fans of the sport to have an opinion, then there would be little point to having this message board.
If you want to try to refute what I've said, be my guest. Just spare me the petty insults.
Who? That guy wasn't born until 1985 and he's telling us how it was in the 70s and 80s? Guys (Shorter and Rodgers) were running 2-3 marathons a year -- sometimes more. EOT
So you believe that you have to have been alive to write about a previous period of time? Ever heard of a historian? So you would admit you know almost nothing about the 1950s? I don’t believe that.
Correct. I know very little about how marathoners trained or raced in the 1950s or even the 1960s. Even if I did it would be irrelevant to the questions presented in this thread. My commentary is specific to this thread -- MARATHON TRAINING AND RACING IN THE 1970s AND 1980s. Most serious marathoners of that era ran 1-2 marathons per year. Many ran 2-3. Many of those marathoners were my peers, and/or my friends. Those are my qualifications.
I am not pontificating for the purpose of furthering an online coaching service for hobbyjoggers, who by the way is not a pejorative in my mind. It just describes a target audience that is far away from serious competitors like Rodgers and Shorter, and many more of the era.
The article cited was by Jeff Gaudette, a blogger whose target audience is hobbyjoggers. He was born in ~1985. He is not a historian he is writing about his opinions, not history.
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why are you doing this? this is a message board of running website is about Conner Mantz! I'm simply trying to stay on topic to contribute to the discussion of this thread! And you are derailing the thread with your ad hominem attacks against me. PLEASE STOP
*typos but you see what I mean! give it a rest.
Hey, I actually like your username. It amuses me, in a good way. The point remains -- you don't know as much or more than Ed Eyestone. Don't pretend to be.
* I really don't care about your typos. Autocorrect is the bane of modern life. It hurts more times than it helps.
