How do you go from a 4:01 high school miler to zero after that? Was he injured for four years after high school? Fill me in on his background?
I'm not sure if this is a rhetorical question or not but I was wondering that too as I watched the video trying to remember what I could about his career. That 4:01 was the 6th fastest high school mile ever when he ran it and it seemed he was a shoe in for faster things. And I would consider anyone with the sixth fastest high school time in his event a prodigy.
I do not recall hearing that injuries were a problem. He started college at Rice and left after two years. I found an interview where he was sort of vague about why but did say specifically that he wasn't wild about the coaching so he left and began coaching himself. I think that can work for some, I essentially did that in college and improved a lot more than before I was doing it. But it looks to me like he may have over thought things and made it too complicated. Maybe that's just my bias.
But we do know that people can sometimes not match their high school bests after graduation. How do you run 3:59 in high school and never run under 4:00 again? Tim Danielson managed somehow. And sub four is still a major barrier, maybe an ultimate or near ultimate for some. How many tries did it take for Sam Bair Jr. to get under four? I don't recall it ever being the quest for Magness that it seemed to be for Bair Jr.
Ruthe is no child. When I was sixteen I was a child. Ruthe is a grown man.
Peak jealousy. Unreal.
Let us see how quicly this is removed.
The entire site is stuffed with jealous guys of all ages. Ruthe looks 16. Like a few others, I’ve met Lutkenhaus (more than once). He looks like an average kid in person, not like a 20 year old man or older as so many guys claim. Freakiest is Quincy who looks like a junior high schooler.
Steve was a great HS milers. However he failed to break 4 minutes (401)
He went on to college and never broke 4:06 or 14:20. HE FAILED
Salazar appreciated his nerdiness and willing to learn. However, he acted inappropriate around the women and was fired. HE FAILED.
Salazar was aware that Steve knew too much so they let him go quietly. This enabled Steve to apply at Houston without a blemish on his record. At Houston HE FAILED
He then teamed up with Jonathan Marcus (another several time fired college coach) to do a podcast. THEY FAILED and have been mocked endlessly for their pseudo science.
He has worked with a few pros from time to time. They all catch on eventually that he is a fraud and FIRE HIM
How do you go from a 4:01 high school miler to zero after that? Was he injured for four years after high school? Fill me in on his background?
I'm not sure if this is a rhetorical question or not but I was wondering that too as I watched the video trying to remember what I could about his career. That 4:01 was the 6th fastest high school mile ever when he ran it and it seemed he was a shoe in for faster things. And I would consider anyone with the sixth fastest high school time in his event a prodigy.
I do not recall hearing that injuries were a problem. He started college at Rice and left after two years. I found an interview where he was sort of vague about why but did say specifically that he wasn't wild about the coaching so he left and began coaching himself. I think that can work for some, I essentially did that in college and improved a lot more than before I was doing it. But it looks to me like he may have over thought things and made it too complicated. Maybe that's just my bias.
But we do know that people can sometimes not match their high school bests after graduation. How do you run 3:59 in high school and never run under 4:00 again? Tim Danielson managed somehow. And sub four is still a major barrier, maybe an ultimate or near ultimate for some. How many tries did it take for Sam Bair Jr. to get under four? I don't recall it ever being the quest for Magness that it seemed to be for Bair Jr.
Magness was extremely focused on breaking 4. His failure to do so was the reason why he left Rice. It was the reason he eventually quit competitive running. He kept trying for like 9 years. Yes he ran other distances too - 800, 3k, 5k - but that was because not being able to pr was so frustrating. He was hoping to get something in line with his mile - but of course that was his best distance and he ran his best time in high school.
I knew him from his dyestat days. He was absolutely focused on breaking 4. I don't know how driven Bair Jr. was but the impression Magness gave was that he was all in on going for 4. If he thought racing more 15s or miles would have got him there, he'd have done it. Maybe this changed later in his running career to just running a good race or trying to get low 4s, IDK. I know he was pretty happy to run an 800 pr in 06, but the focus was always on the mile and those 800s were just prep for a 4 minute attempt.
Magness suffered some injuries. He maybe didn't get the best training for him as an individual at Rice, but his potential was probably close to 4 minutes. With everything going right all the time, maybe he'd have gotten into the high 350s.
Steve is a clown. He attracts the misfits of our sport.
Steve is a solid guy, but he made a massive mistake by teaming up with Jon Marcus.
Steve is smart. He knows his stuff. The problem is that Steve has a strong relationship with Jon and is afraid to cut him off. Steve carries Jon along with him because he feels bad for him. Jon is a wounded deer, and Steve refuses to let him go.
Most of you probably don't know how deep this goes. I joined the Magness and Marcus Scholar Program a few years ago and am still in their Discord. A few years ago, Jon was extremely active on Discord, constantly responding to subscribers. When Jon was fired from his position at PSU, he went dead silent. Steve is silent. Jon is silent. The chat is on life support, thanks to a few loyal members. You can feel the sympathy Steve has for Jon in their podcasts. After the PSU incident, Steve's tone changed, and you can feel the resentment.
None of this is hate on Steve. He was just lured in by a bad business partner. It happens. If Steve were to publicly separate from Jon, it would rehabilitate his image. Steve is big on honesty, truth, and doing hard things. Why won't he cut off Jon?
Steve is a clown. He attracts the misfits of our sport.
Steve is a solid guy, but he made a massive mistake by teaming up with Jon Marcus.
Steve is smart. He knows his stuff. The problem is that Steve has a strong relationship with Jon and is afraid to cut him off. Steve carries Jon along with him because he feels bad for him. Jon is a wounded deer, and Steve refuses to let him go.
Most of you probably don't know how deep this goes. I joined the Magness and Marcus Scholar Program a few years ago and am still in their Discord. A few years ago, Jon was extremely active on Discord, constantly responding to subscribers. When Jon was fired from his position at PSU, he went dead silent. Steve is silent. Jon is silent. The chat is on life support, thanks to a few loyal members. You can feel the sympathy Steve has for Jon in their podcasts. After the PSU incident, Steve's tone changed, and you can feel the resentment.
None of this is hate on Steve. He was just lured in by a bad business partner. It happens. If Steve were to publicly separate from Jon, it would rehabilitate his image. Steve is big on honesty, truth, and doing hard things. Why won't he cut off Jon?
It was a hard listen and I eventually stopped listening because of JM. Steve knows his stuff and his youtube stuff is pretty good.
It's directed energy positive frequency. My name says it all. It's always never any chance a 16 year old child runs 3:48 for the mile. Was that the previous men's WR too?
Ruthe is no child. When I was sixteen I was a child. Ruthe is a grown man.
It's directed energy positive frequency. My name says it all. It's always never any chance a 16 year old child runs 3:48 for the mile. Was that the previous men's WR too?
Ruthe is no child. When I was sixteen I was a child. Ruthe is a grown man.
If thats true,he'll plateau out,and peak much younger than he should.
Ruthe is a bit mature for his age, but he still very much looks like a kid.
Steve, Steve annoys me when he says I’m gonna blast you with some science, says mitochondria is the power house of the cell and then does a bunch of hand waving and then exasperated says ok, I just threw a lot at ya. I also don’t like his arguments from authority “I started a PhD program, I have a masters degree, I’m an exercise physiologist (debatable), I coached people, I ran a 4:01”. The genetic thing got really awkward.
Most kids do just enough to win races and scholarships. There's no point trying to run a 3:50 mile if 4:00 makes you the best teenager in the country. Getting good grades and having a social life are more important... track can come later.
So generally the only reason for a 16 year old to run ludicrous times is because some other kids are running fast. That's why they come in groups. Probably loads of athletes who run super fast in their early 20s could have done it as teenagers, there just wasn't any reason to prioritize it over other teenager stuff.
I'm skeptical that this is a reason.
I think this is interesting... My Junior and Senior year in HS we had a guy who won the HS mile both years. I remember before one race he said he ran for "scholarships"...
In Oklahoma, he would run low to mid 4:20s and win every race. He went to two or three out of state races and would routinely run in the 4:15-4:20 range with the better competition.
He got his scholarship... Ran about a 4:08 at NAIA level... Never ran another step after college.
So this guy was maybe an example of that. But there are other guys that run as hard as they can in races... or close to it.
Ruthe is no child. When I was sixteen I was a child. Ruthe is a grown man.
If thats true,he'll plateau out,and peak much younger than he should.
Okay, what if he's already peaked, which is not to say that he has or will soon. He's run a 3:48.88 mile. How many people can say they've done that? If I had a time like that on my resume I wouldn't care how old I was when I did it. No one really knows when a person "should" peak.