Hoey set out to set world records in December and January. My guess is that Brazier is a little smarter than that, in consideration of his own personal circumstances.
This is a cope. Brazier won't do anything this summer that's on par with setting the indoor 600 & 800 records.
DB is still relatively young. No reason he can't continue to win US titles and hopefully fare better at global championships than he did last year. Not making it out of the World's semi was also a disappointment. The man won the USA champs in 1:42 low. Say what you will about him having time off, but all of that was erased when he walked away with a US outdoor title last summer, setting a PB. He's back. He's no longer in comeback mode. He's a healthy, full-fledged, world-class athlete expected to perform at the highest level in every race he enters. Period. It was the New Balance Grand Prix, a distance where DB had the two fastest times in the world before Hoey ran faster. This was not a DL race or a global final. These are races an athlete like DB should be winning. Every time. Regardless of what time of year it is. And I'm guessing he knows it. Can't wait to see him race in Millrose.
hoey did beat brazier (and lutkenhaus) on time but it's indoor season and he seems to take it far more seriously than anyone else. his indoor WR is slower than the HS kid's outdoor PR. it's a feather in his cap no one can take away but we'll also wait and see what his outdoor product is.
i think the people acting like brazier has to lay down product right now to show continued relevance, forget he won nationals then made the medal stand at worlds last september. you can then prioritize as you see fit. assuming you eventually produce. if not, this was a bad sign like quincy wilson's pro indoor meets last year.
Obviously neither Brazier or Hoppel looked sharp. Brazier might be in better 600 shape than he was last year at this time though. Meanwhile it feels like Hoppel has been on a steady decline since the Paris olympics final and this race just continues that trajectory. Despite only being a year removed from 1:41, Hoppel making worlds last year felt a little like the year Clayton Young made his last USA team. He clearly wasn't among the top 3 runners in pure fitness/athleticism, but got in with superior tactics. I could see him as a guy who could extend his career running 1:43-1:45 for several more years.
Hoey split 1 whole second faster through 600 in his 800 than Brazier RACED a 600.
Then Hoey ran a 26.31 at the end of it. Brazier's last lap of his 600 was 26.44
This was an unmitigated DISASTER for Brazier.
Very bad post here. Simply ignorant, to be honest. (None of Hoey's last 200 was boxed in, was it?)
Anyone who watched the race and has every run an indoor 600 could understand that he was boxed from far out, and certainly boxed at the time of a strong move by the eventual winner (back stretch of the third lap). Indoors, when someone gets up 5 meters while you're still behind another runner, it's all over at that point.
Brazier said himself that he failed to position himself where he needed to in order to run fast. Let it become an indoor kick race, and wasn't in place when that happened. A tactical error but hardly indicative of a "disaster."
Again, all of these comments are obvious to anyone who has actually raced some 600s indoors. Not every race is set up as a personal time-trial, which believe it or not benefits a runner by 1-2 seconds.
He ran the whole first 200 meters in his own lane. Brazier has by far the strongest 600m PR in the field and the strangers 400m time.
He had every opportunity to get out right on the rabbit. It's BRAZIERS fault that he for boxed in. It's not just "bad luck".
His form looked really bad right from the first. He just didn't look right.
Yes it is a disaster to race all out a 1:17 when your biggest rival splits 1:16 and holds that pace for an extra 200m to break a world record.
You can't make an omelette without laying an egg. Ideally, that business is left to the chicken, but if Donavan is healthy, he'll keep building and soon be like "cluck cluck mother f-ers."
hoey did beat brazier (and lutkenhaus) on time but it's indoor season and he seems to take it far more seriously than anyone else. his indoor WR is slower than the HS kid's outdoor PR. it's a feather in his cap no one can take away but we'll also wait and see what his outdoor product is.
i think the people acting like brazier has to lay down product right now to show continued relevance, forget he won nationals then made the medal stand at worlds last september. you can then prioritize as you see fit. assuming you eventually produce. if not, this was a bad sign like quincy wilson's pro indoor meets last year.
Brazier didnt earn a medal at Worlds. He didn't even make the final, bro.
Very bad post here. Simply ignorant, to be honest. (None of Hoey's last 200 was boxed in, was it?)
Anyone who watched the race and has every run an indoor 600 could understand that he was boxed from far out, and certainly boxed at the time of a strong move by the eventual winner (back stretch of the third lap). Indoors, when someone gets up 5 meters while you're still behind another runner, it's all over at that point.
Brazier said himself that he failed to position himself where he needed to in order to run fast. Let it become an indoor kick race, and wasn't in place when that happened. A tactical error but hardly indicative of a "disaster."
Again, all of these comments are obvious to anyone who has actually raced some 600s indoors. Not every race is set up as a personal time-trial, which believe it or not benefits a runner by 1-2 seconds.
He ran the whole first 200 meters in his own lane. Brazier has by far the strongest 600m PR in the field and the strangers 400m time.
He had every opportunity to get out right on the rabbit. It's BRAZIERS fault that he for boxed in. It's not just "bad luck".
His form looked really bad right from the first. He just didn't look right.
Yes it is a disaster to race all out a 1:17 when your biggest rival splits 1:16 and holds that pace for an extra 200m to break a world record.
It's really going to be a disaster if Hoey hits a wall and starts breaking down. At his age and after what he's been through, Brazier understands you don't win world titles in January or February or in a non championship year. He's wisely taking his time and just trying to get through a full year healthy so he can compete next year when it matters. I still think Hoey is flying to close to the sun. What goes up, must eventually go down.
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Obviously neither Brazier or Hoppel looked sharp. Brazier might be in better 600 shape than he was last year at this time though. Meanwhile it feels like Hoppel has been on a steady decline since the Paris olympics final and this race just continues that trajectory. Despite only being a year removed from 1:41, Hoppel making worlds last year felt a little like the year Clayton Young made his last USA team. He clearly wasn't among the top 3 runners in pure fitness/athleticism, but got in with superior tactics. I could see him as a guy who could extend his career running 1:43-1:45 for several more years.
Hoppel seemed to have his best year when he was running alongside Kessler (Kessler's best year as well), I haven't seen any posts indicating they're still training together which is pretty odd considering the success they had together.
Also this thread should not have 4 pages, if you watched the race you would know that he was positioned horribly the whole way through, would try to make a move then get stopped over and over again.
If he were in a perfect time trial, I am sure he would have run 2-3 seconds faster, which is a perfectly fine place to be at this point in the season.
Also this thread should not have 4 pages, if you watched the race you would know that he was positioned horribly the whole way through, would try to make a move then get stopped over and over again.
If he were in a perfect time trial, I am sure he would have run 2-3 seconds faster, which is a perfectly fine place to be at this point in the season.
It was a time trial for Brazier! He just jogged the first 200 and didn't go out with the rabbit.
Then he never tried to make a move until it was way too late.
Hoey set out to set world records in December and January. My guess is that Brazier is a little smarter than that, in consideration of his own personal circumstances.
This is a cope. Brazier won't do anything this summer that's on par with setting the indoor 600 & 800 records.
That’s fine. Hoey won’t do anything this summer that’s on par with being the World Champion.