How to handle it? wrote:
People are insanely smart here, it feels like the cutting edge of technology. Anyone have similar culture shock moving here?
In general it is not a good idea to generalize. Not all Atheists are stupid.
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go hangout in tenderloin
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I just want to ride the cable car
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How to handle it? wrote:
It's interesting how much San Francisco, and anything positive about it, greatly triggers some people on this board.
Not just on this board. People don't like overly hyped towns populated by the holier than thou self-aggrandizing PC who try to tell everyone else how to live their lives when those people's own lives are a total mess. San Francisco has a long history of marketing itself across the world as some sort of utopia which is to be expected from an area heavily dependent on tourism.
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ho hum 121 wrote:
What brings you here wejo, and are you in SF proper? I work at a frontier AI lab, as do almost all my friends, so I'm looking for some diversity in people that I meet.
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Since it sounds like you have only lived there are short time, could you provide a couple recent examples of why you feel the people there are so smart?
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arunnerinwa wrote:
joedlrt wrote:
You can be smart anywhere. Economies of scale play a role in how far your dollar goes. Most (even the smart) have a hard time making ends meet in San Francisco. As Thoreau famously wrote “I would rather sit upon a pumpkin and have it all to myself than be crowded on a velvet cushion. I have a relative in Marin. His house is valued at $1.4 million. Where I live it might go for $300k. Had another relative whose House was worth $1.7 million. Sold it. Moved out here. Bought some acreage and hasn’t looked back. Sure there are smart people in San Fran. A lot bailed during COVID.
Even 1.4M is basically a hovel in Marin. I honestly think if your income is less than 500K, it makes no sense to live in the Bay Area. Even at 500K, if that's a two-income family with kids, you really have to ask yourself if you want to stay there or take a modest pay cut to live in Seattle or Boulder or Northern Virginia and have a far higher quality of life.
By "quality of life," you mean cheaper housing. Which is meaningful. And contributes to quality of life for sure. But I've lived in nearly as many cities as you have, both in the US (up and down both coasts) and internationally, and I would submit that the quality of life in the Bay Area is superior to every else. Weather, proximity to outdoors, culture, etc all matter. As does housing. But you also arguably don't need as big a place because you're not stuck inside for months at a time. YMMV.
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just some guy4 wrote:
Who needs people? All you need is AI. Talk to AI, Kiss AI, Hug AI, Reproduce with AI...
I shampooed my pubes and my AI sexbot complimented their lusciousness today
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joedlrt wrote:
Harambe wrote:
Unfortunately this is cope.
The market is very good at rewarding intelligence with money.
San Francisco is so rich because it has the most smart people.
You can be smart anywhere. Economies of scale play a role in how far your dollar goes. Most (even the smart) have a hard time making ends meet in San Francisco. As Thoreau famously wrote “I would rather sit upon a pumpkin and have it all to myself than be crowded on a velvet cushion. I have a relative in Marin. His house is valued at $1.4 million. Where I live it might go for $300k. Had another relative whose House was worth $1.7 million. Sold it. Moved out here. Bought some acreage and hasn’t looked back. Sure there are smart people in San Fran. A lot bailed during COVID.
USDA ave Montana ranch is 2,100-2,400 acres. Ave acre is -$2-7k =$4M-$14M. Seems ave cost in Montana is no different than the ave cost in Bay Area.
Bozeman smells like cow doodoo. Bay Area smell like human doodoo. Both equal
Montana drive 60 miles in 1 hour to get a gallon of milk VS Bay Area drive 6 miles in 1 hour to get a gallon of milk. Both equal.
BLM owns 30% of Montana land.
Green Diamond Lumber owns 290,000
Wilkes owns 278,000 acres.
Galt family 190,000 acres.
Kroneke 225,000.
Holding 215,000.
Turner 150,000.
Bottom line is gotta have coin to make.it in both .
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How to handle it? wrote:
People are insanely smart here, it feels like the cutting edge of technology. Anyone have similar culture shock moving here?
Just take a look at the people they vote into office - you’ll feel much smarter than them.
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arunnerinwa wrote:
joedlrt wrote:
You can be smart anywhere. Economies of scale play a role in how far your dollar goes. Most (even the smart) have a hard time making ends meet in San Francisco. As Thoreau famously wrote “I would rather sit upon a pumpkin and have it all to myself than be crowded on a velvet cushion. I have a relative in Marin. His house is valued at $1.4 million. Where I live it might go for $300k. Had another relative whose House was worth $1.7 million. Sold it. Moved out here. Bought some acreage and hasn’t looked back. Sure there are smart people in San Fran. A lot bailed during COVID.
Even 1.4M is basically a hovel in Marin. I honestly think if your income is less than 500K, it makes no sense to live in the Bay Area. Even at 500K, if that's a two-income family with kids, you really have to ask yourself if you want to stay there or take a modest pay cut to live in Seattle or Boulder or Northern Virginia and have a far higher quality of life.
Maybe pre covid, but all those places skyrocketed in COL post covid so SF isn’t an outlier anymore.
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well.... wrote:
arunnerinwa wrote:
Even 1.4M is basically a hovel in Marin. I honestly think if your income is less than 500K, it makes no sense to live in the Bay Area. Even at 500K, if that's a two-income family with kids, you really have to ask yourself if you want to stay there or take a modest pay cut to live in Seattle or Boulder or Northern Virginia and have a far higher quality of life.
By "quality of life," you mean cheaper housing. Which is meaningful. And contributes to quality of life for sure. But I've lived in nearly as many cities as you have, both in the US (up and down both coasts) and internationally, and I would submit that the quality of life in the Bay Area is superior to every else. Weather, proximity to outdoors, culture, etc all matter. As does housing. But you also arguably don't need as big a place because you're not stuck inside for months at a time. YMMV.
Would you live in the rain all year in Seattle to feel 10% richer.
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joedlrt wrote:
Harambe wrote:
Unfortunately this is cope.
The market is very good at rewarding intelligence with money.
San Francisco is so rich because it has the most smart people.
You can be smart anywhere. Economies of scale play a role in how far your dollar goes. Most (even the smart) have a hard time making ends meet in San Francisco. As Thoreau famously wrote “I would rather sit upon a pumpkin and have it all to myself than be crowded on a velvet cushion. I have a relative in Marin. His house is valued at $1.4 million. Where I live it might go for $300k. Had another relative whose House was worth $1.7 million. Sold it. Moved out here. Bought some acreage and hasn’t looked back. Sure there are smart people in San Fran. A lot bailed during COVID.
Yes the network effects in SF are part of the reason it’s so rich and successful. Lots of smart people in one place.
Good luck hiring top talent for your tech startup if you’re not in the Bay Area. You settle for B talent and lose to the A talent.
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Vizzini wrote:
Vizzini: I can't compete with you physically, and I'm far smarter than you.
Westley: You're that smart?
Vizzini: Let me put it this way. Have you ever heard of Plato, Aristotle, Socrates?
Westley: Yes.
Vizzini: Idiots.Iocaine, I'd bet my life on it.
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Hmmm? Where did you move from?
Where did you meet all these superior intellects?
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SF is Dope Central for Dopes wrote:
You were also the second poster in the thread. I am the third.
You were correct. So was the poster you answered, when he pointed out the OP was answering himself, with agreement and praise. Painfully obvious and LR should be ashamed for removing ampoat simply formpointing that out.
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joedlrt wrote:
Ford Driving Genius Patriot wrote:
You got to be a real dummie to live in expensive socialist San Fransicko with all the drugged up homeless gheys. I is one of the smartest guys in my red town! Own a truck, some guns, and a single wide in the nicest RV park in the whole durned county! I fully expect to get a promotion to key holder at the feed store next month. I see a lot less farmers in here these days but I hear the stock market is up so everyone must be doing good. The President says so and I believe him!
That kind of stereotyping cost Democrats two of the last three presidential elections. We can debate whether or not it is wiser to spend a million bucks on a 1200 square foot townhouse with no yard in a left coast city or live in a 5,000 square foot palace on acreage with water rights in fly over country at the same cost with lower taxes, less crime and less pollution. And whether or not the guy who spends all day writing code in a cubicle and fights traffic for an hour each day but is incapable of fixing his car or hanging drywall is really that much more intelligent than the guy who owns a pickup and does commercial construction for a living.
Less crime? You haven't compared the homicide rates in any midwestern or southern city to SF if you actually think fly-over country is safer than CA.
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You Don\'t Know wrote:
Less crime? You haven't compared the homicide rates in any midwestern or southern city to SF if you actually think fly-over country is safer than CA.
Not everybody lives in a city. The violent crime rate in San Francisco is triple the violent crime rate in states like Idaho, Wyoming and Iowa and the property crime rate is 4 to 7 times higher. And a lot of property crime in SF goes unreported as most people understand that cases nowhere.
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SF HAS BEEN A DUMP FOR YEARS wrote:
SF is Dope Central for Dopes wrote:
You were also the second poster in the thread. I am the third.
You were correct. So was the poster you answered, when he pointed out the OP was answering himself, with agreement and praise. Painfully obvious and LR should be ashamed for removing ampoat simply formpointing that out.
You guys are such right-wing f'n retards, it's unreal.
San Francisco is not just the Tenderloin. Housing is stupid unaffordable there because the weather is perfect, the absolute best of the best jobs are located there (or closeby), and it is adjacent to two of the world's best universities.
Yeah, it's a dump. Retard. Enjoy Arkansas or whatever backwater pissbucket you're currently vomiting this garbage from.
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