Yeah, that acceptance rate sounds high, but UMD gets a huge number of applications from high-performing students from nearby Montgomery County. The high caliber of students applying drives that acceptance rate up. Academically, U.S. news ranks it #42 among universities, higher than Wake Forest and tied with BU, UW, and Rutgers. Sure, it's not Princeton (#1) or Tufts (#36), but it's a solid academic choice.
In general, all the public schools have come up a lot in the rankings. As a parent of a senior, that's been the single surprise in the college application process. That and the fact that kids don't want to go to small liberal arts colleges in the Northeast. I went to Williams, so that was disorienting and a real change from my generation.
I too have been pumping the brakes on Wilson for the last year.
One he started to struggle to beat last year's times this year, it hit me (admittedley, he's the 38th fastest guy in histoy so it should be hard to PR). My fear for Quincy is he's not very big. Look at the fastest 10 men in history. They are all six feet or taller except for this year's world champ Collen Kebinatshipi, who became the shortest man in history to break 44 in the 400 this year at worlds.
Are there outliers? Yes. I mean you don't have to be over 6' to be a great NFL quarterback but nearly all of them are. And yes, it was once thought Usain Bolt was too tall to be a great sprinter.
Yes, you can say he's 'got room to grow'. He's young, etc. But did you see his dad? He's already taller than him. Both Quincy and SML are listed at 5'9. I'd be surprised if he gets any taller.
Ever since my coaching days, I have a theory that shorter men often hit their peak earlier in track.
Brandon Miller has been called too short and maxed out for like 12 years and is literally still improving.
I can’t guarantee Quincy is going to PR but I look at his HS workload and long seasons as a reason for “stagnation” far before I consider his height. Like outside of maybe Jacory Patterson, is any other US 400m runner doing indoors, splitting 43 at Penn Relays and surviving until September?
Maryland not having an indoor season and not being a team contender will be good for Quincy’s personal development.
I’d hate to see Quincy in a situation like Britton Wilson at Arkansas
MD was the only team that allowed Smith to continue to coach Wilson. They cut Maryland's mens XC and Indoor Track program years ago so will they reinstate the program for everyone or just for Wilson. Will he participate as a UMD athlete during indoor or set his own schedule.
Did they fire Valmon or did they tell him the only way you stay as coach is if you let this happen.
Regardless this is a slap in the face for every Terp that was dumped when they said goodbye running programs we need to support our 4-8 football team.
Who is Smith? Are you referring to Bullis Coach Joe Lee? There is no reporting on if he will be joining Maryland.
He will 100% be coaching him there's 0 reason go to MD otherwise.
Dude is probably the best high school coach possibly ever, but Bullis is like an even more elite 2010s era F-M. The majority kids haven't had a lot of success improving after college and a lot of have gone to the best of the best sprints programs while still not improving.
Keeping the coaching continuity will help, as I assume the buy in will be better but we will see.
Volman is also putting himself in a dangerous situation, it's going to be easy for all his kids to just want to be coached by the bullis guy now. Not sure if he even cares but he's definitely handing over control of his program with this move
I disagree. While he might not improve a lot, he still has growing to do. There's a big difference in strength between a 16 year old and a 20 year old, and even more as a 25 year old. Even if he improves 1 second he's almost at the world record (if I have his PRs correct). There's still room to build strength.
I too have been pumping the brakes on Wilson for the last year.
One he started to struggle to beat last year's times this year, it hit me (admittedley, he's the 38th fastest guy in histoy so it should be hard to PR). My fear for Quincy is he's not very big. Look at the fastest 10 men in history. They are all six feet or taller except for this year's world champ Collen Kebinatshipi, who became the shortest man in history to break 44 in the 400 this year at worlds.
Are there outliers? Yes. I mean you don't have to be over 6' to be a great NFL quarterback but nearly all of them are. And yes, it was once thought Usain Bolt was too tall to be a great sprinter.
Yes, you can say he's 'got room to grow'. He's young, etc. But did you see his dad? He's already taller than him. Both Quincy and SML are listed at 5'9. I'd be surprised if he gets any taller.
Ever since my coaching days, I have a theory that shorter men often hit their peak earlier in track.
He's 17. I heard people say the same thing about Hobbs Kessler when he didn't make the world team in 2022. Progress is never linear.
He will 100% be coaching him there's 0 reason go to MD otherwise.
Dude is probably the best high school coach possibly ever, but Bullis is like an even more elite 2010s era F-M. The majority kids haven't had a lot of success improving after college and a lot of have gone to the best of the best sprints programs while still not improving.
Keeping the coaching continuity will help, as I assume the buy in will be better but we will see.
Volman is also putting himself in a dangerous situation, it's going to be easy for all his kids to just want to be coached by the bullis guy now. Not sure if he even cares but he's definitely handing over control of his program with this move
Total BS.
Masai Russell - Olympic Gold medal, NCAA Record Holder (and not the fake gold medal that Quincy Wilson won for running a very slow leg in the prelims of a relay)
He will 100% be coaching him there's 0 reason go to MD otherwise.
Dude is probably the best high school coach possibly ever, but Bullis is like an even more elite 2010s era F-M. The majority kids haven't had a lot of success improving after college and a lot of have gone to the best of the best sprints programs while still not improving.
Keeping the coaching continuity will help, as I assume the buy in will be better but we will see.
Volman is also putting himself in a dangerous situation, it's going to be easy for all his kids to just want to be coached by the bullis guy now. Not sure if he even cares but he's definitely handing over control of his program with this move
Total BS.
Masai Russell - Olympic Gold medal, NCAA Record Holder (and not the fake gold medal that Quincy Wilson won for running a very slow leg in the prelims of a relay)
Just like F-M a few of them have survived past high school. The vast majority have not
Masai Russell - Olympic Gold medal, NCAA Record Holder (and not the fake gold medal that Quincy Wilson won for running a very slow leg in the prelims of a relay)
Just like F-M a few of them have survived past high school. The vast majority have not
Just a few runners have survived past high school PERIOD. What a ridiculous standard to place on a high school coach. "Just a few pro runners produced from this high school, not very good in my opinion".
What other high school had two Olympic gold medalists at the last Olympics across ALL sports? Because Bullis and Coach Joe Lee and two track gold medalists.
UMD doesn't even have a cross country team. They are an unserious program. It's frustrating because UMD is in the middle of a huge talent pool and they squander it by underfunded their running programs. A lot of them end up at UMBC. There's not even a proper indoor track anywhere in MD.
PG sports complex is a very solid indoor track. Not sure if UMD still gets training hours there sometimes, but we did 25 years ago.
Yeah, that acceptance rate sounds high, but UMD gets a huge number of applications from high-performing students from nearby Montgomery County. The high caliber of students applying drives that acceptance rate up. Academically, U.S. news ranks it #42 among universities, higher than Wake Forest and tied with BU, UW, and Rutgers. Sure, it's not Princeton (#1) or Tufts (#36), but it's a solid academic choice.
In general, all the public schools have come up a lot in the rankings. As a parent of a senior, that's been the single surprise in the college application process. That and the fact that kids don't want to go to small liberal arts colleges in the Northeast. I went to Williams, so that was disorienting and a real change from my generation.
I'm sure cost and facilities factor into that decision (especially a state school if you get in state tuition). I thought my daughter would like Loyola Chicago, but she said the facilities paled in comparison to UMD (and some other state schools that she visited). Also for students, being close to DC and all the partnership internships/fellowships offered through the school make it pretty enticing.
Just like F-M a few of them have survived past high school. The vast majority have not
Just a few runners have survived past high school PERIOD. What a ridiculous standard to place on a high school coach. "Just a few pro runners produced from this high school, not very good in my opinion".
What other high school had two Olympic gold medalists at the last Olympics across ALL sports? Because Bullis and Coach Joe Lee and two track gold medalists.
Well one of them is still in high school.
As I said he's probably the best high school coach of all time. Having one kid from the class of 2019 pan out to their high school potential out of a line of mega elite kids ( he probably has had the best success rate in the 400 and 400H in HS since covid) Is definitely a sign that they're getting burned out. You can even see it with Quincy
It's like if img football (a school that can also recruit) had 1 of their 5 star QBs work out at the college level.
He gets mega results inarguably better then anyone has ever gotten as a whole it has not worked as a whole especially given the talent that he has had for long term athletic development for the student athletes.
Any coach can make any kid a top notch runner if they were given the freedom that Lee has at Bullis. Recruiting other schools top runners,coaching through the summer, facilities, travelling to any meet they want.....etc.
Yeah, that acceptance rate sounds high, but UMD gets a huge number of applications from high-performing students from nearby Montgomery County. The high caliber of students applying drives that acceptance rate up. Academically, U.S. news ranks it #42 among universities, higher than Wake Forest and tied with BU, UW, and Rutgers. Sure, it's not Princeton (#1) or Tufts (#36), but it's a solid academic choice.
In general, all the public schools have come up a lot in the rankings. As a parent of a senior, that's been the single surprise in the college application process. That and the fact that kids don't want to go to small liberal arts colleges in the Northeast. I went to Williams, so that was disorienting and a real change from my generation.
If your school is test optional, the median reported score literally means nothing. Because anyone below the advertised median isn’t going to submit their score. And then the next year your median goes up again!! What a way to make your school look more prestigious!
kind of bummed for him. could of gone anywhere with great coaching x top notch teammates but stuck being close to home at a University I've never heard of. I'm sure it's a decision where he wanted to stay with his coach but it rarely works out. Let that boy live and thrive with other opportunities.
kind of bummed for him. could of gone anywhere with great coaching x top notch teammates but stuck being close to home at a University I've never heard of. I'm sure it's a decision where he wanted to stay with his coach but it rarely works out. Let that boy live and thrive with other opportunities.
I didn't go to Maryland, but it's a solid school that deserves a better overall athletics program. Maybe his arrival will spark a revival.
Yeah, that acceptance rate sounds high, but UMD gets a huge number of applications from high-performing students from nearby Montgomery County. The high caliber of students applying drives that acceptance rate up. Academically, U.S. news ranks it #42 among universities, higher than Wake Forest and tied with BU, UW, and Rutgers. Sure, it's not Princeton (#1) or Tufts (#36), but it's a solid academic choice.
In general, all the public schools have come up a lot in the rankings. As a parent of a senior, that's been the single surprise in the college application process. That and the fact that kids don't want to go to small liberal arts colleges in the Northeast. I went to Williams, so that was disorienting and a real change from my generation.
If your school is test optional, the median reported score literally means nothing. Because anyone below the advertised median isn’t going to submit their score. And then the next year your median goes up again!! What a way to make your school look more prestigious!
Fair point, but not only partly correct:
1) There's at least some information in the scores--it doesn't literally mean nothing.
2) The percent submitting scores is increasing and currently stands at 60%
3) This means at least 30% of the students have an SAT of 1450 or higher. Twenty years ago, probably only 10% of students had SATs that high (UMD was definitely a safety for students in that range then). I work at NIH and get a lot of cold calls from UMD students looking for a scientific positions. The quality of applicants has notably improved over the years.
Put it all together and the evidence of the school's academic rigor improving is incontrovertible.