WTF THIS IS NOT OK - ONLY 5 AMERICANS IN NCAA TOP 30

Its perfectly fine. The best Americans want to compete against the best the world has to offer.

As for doping, what makes you think Americans are clean ?

This. Didn’t realize the viewership numbers for this year are already out!

That's bullsh*t. American collegiate athletes have been performing at a high level on the World stage for 60+ years. Ever hear of Jim Ryun or Steve Prefontaine?

The foreigners aren't raising the bar, they are choosing to compete against younger competition instead of running pro races.

People like Gary Martin, Ethan Strand, Nathan Green and Liam Murphy challenge each other enough. Hocker, Nuguse, and Teare didn't need any foreigners to push them.

Flanagan in her interview said Ayyildiz is out of eligibility after this year.

0% chance Grant Fisher is a wr holder if NCAA has always been limited to Americans.

false.

not the performing on world stage. the needed to push them part.

competing on the world stage in the 60s and 70s was nothing compared to now.

If they were white British, Australian, Canadian, etc. it wouldn't be a problem.

It's similar to the illegal immigrants picking our produce. We blame them, not the companies that employ them. Maybe we should blame the colleges that recruit them.

You are right! Unfortunately lets run has a lot of racist people who are more concerned about African runners and less about how yo promote the sport

The problem with this thread and similar threads and the coaches is that no one agrees on what the argument is. Some say it is less popular. That is a different argument than drug cheats which is a different argument than age limits which is different than forwign domination.

the starting point should be around the purpose of college and how college sports fits into this. The purpose of any sport that associates with a college is the first contribute to development which college is supposed to do.

the development process is hard and competitive. We should not water down college and college sports to become professional sports. That is a different thing.

so given this while one of the goals in competitive college sports is to win this needs still to fit in the big picture of a college development model. Willing alone is not the purpose of college sports. It is import but not the first thing.

further, the american higher ed system has a priority to develop americans more than foreigners. Foreigners can help develop americans but shouldnt take over the us higher ed system. The priority is americans.

the model should be to have sone foreigners help bring out the best in americans but yet the americans and their development should be priority.

the current system and environment doesnt to this. Colleges should drop xc and all sports where the priorities and actions dont heavily support large scale us develpment.

Work harder. How many white Americans in the NBA?

I’m all for creating limits to international students, if it’s done in a fair, transparent, and legal manner. But I have yet to hear a single proposal by those criticizing the current system, that would actually work.

1) Age restrictions

Federal law prohibits discrimination without justification, based on, i.a., age or religion. One way of justifying is that the older and more aerobically/physically advanced persons become, so there should be an even playing field. Strict age limits might be more difficult than saying, e.g., eligibilty starts on the day if graduation after high school (year 12 or 13). This would still not account for the fact that some could intentionally delay their graduation date, but in those cases, there would have to be a case by case assessment, if that was deliberate with the goal to extend the eligibility window and thus defrauding the system or not.

2) Roster limits

There used to be limits to foreign nationals playing soccer in European professional leagues, and there is very good case law on this question. And while the equity standards in the EU/US are different, they are still somewhat comparable, so it would be good to look at that as well.

The main question would still be - where do you set the limit? 50%, 40%, 30%, 20%, 10%, or even more stricter limits, unless you can prove that a roter spot could not be filled with an equally or comparably talented US athlete? Or do we only wanna limit the access for Africans (very difficult, discriminating based on race or nationality has very high burdens). Especially if those countries could not be considered as banned countries according to WADA, AIU, or even USADA — that would still require either of them to come up with an objective methodology for identifying countries as systematically violating international doping standards.

On the other hand, you could try and approach this from a visa perspective and strictly limit F1 visas. But how do you prevent a student who’s here on a legal visa from walking on to a track team? And how do you ensure that you’re not hindering the wrong persons, those that America also desperately needs, from entering and contributing to the college communities, and maybe even economy as a whole? What about student athletes that had lived in East African countries, then spent a year or two in day Europe, and then apply for college? Assuming that we had those country risk ratings, how would you rank them?

3) Americans doping

We would still have to find a solution to American dopers — the guy at Iowa is an American, if I’m not mistaken — or BYU cases? They to would fall above the eligibility limit, if we applied the start date on the day of hs graduation

The issue is not the foreigners per se. There's always been foreigners. But at least it was mixed and not so overly one country. Kenya is having too much trouble staying out of trouble on the world stage that now they figure why not just take over the NCAA. This is not a good thing for college xc

Does that mean after indoors and outdoors? That’s what I meant by 2 seasons. She started in 2023 so seems more of a case of a very old starting date.

Racist

Honestly, this is a better showing by Americans than I thought! Especially with 2nd and 7th. I think the age stuff is ridiculous and taking away opportunities from US high schoolers is tough, but the silver lining is that this competition has no doubt made the top end of American distance runners better. I'm still unsure where I stand though on changes that should be made beyond at least age limits

Let's talk about how these coaches are gaming the system to get "rich quick" with international athletes.

State-funded universities: Public universities receive state and federal funding for their overall operations. A portion of this funding is used to cover costs for the athletic department, even for profitable programs.
Subsidies: Most Division 1 athletic departments rely on subsidies from their university, which is funded by taxpayers. This helps cover a wide range of expenses, including coaches' salaries and facility maintenance.
Stadiums and facilities: State and local governments often use tax dollars to help finance sports stadiums and other athletic facilities used by both professional and collegiate teams.
Tax breaks: Taxpayers can also indirectly subsidize sports through tax breaks, such as the ability for team owners to amortize the value of a franchise, which reduces their taxable income.

Instead of developing US athletes (whose parents paid into the program indirectly and directly) -- the coaches choose fund international runners from other countries.

Remove tax dollar funding for all schools that choose to fund international athletes (excluding US territories).

If the international athlete wants to participate let him/her fund their own way.

What is the process for submitting a rule change? Who submits them?

Americans should pull themseles up by their boostraps.

OR, use DEI to give themselves affirmative action race times so that they can be competitive on the world stage.