He's barely under 12. If he ran 22 low he would easily run 46 in an open 400.
I guarantee you he has never done the specific speed endurance workouts to convert his time from 100 or 200 into a good 400. It's a very specific type of fitness to run a good 400. Running a 100 or 200 just takes fitness he already has (speed). I can guarantee he would be a sub-11 100 guy. I ran 11-low and was still only a 49-high and 1:50-high runner. Speed is speed, and can present itself in the 100 or 200. Hocker has that.
Per the World Athletics scoring tables, an 11-flat 100 is 886 points. That's equivalent to a 22.29 200, a 49.54 400, and a 1:55.1 800 (each of these thresholds are effectively world-class female athlete times). He absolutely can break 11-flat in the 100.
You do not understand the difference in muscular anatomy between a 10.99 100m and a 12:58 5000M.
I don't think anyone in history has achieved that. It's simply not possible, and it makes no sense
The whole definition of "speed endurance" is that a mid-long distance athlete can hold a fast pace for an extended amount of time (for example, Hocker being able to close in 52 for a 5k)
It does NOT mean he is capable of sub-11. That isn't speed endurance, that's just pure sprint right out of the blocks, from the get-go. That requires entirely different technique, skill set, training, and just about everything opposite than what Hocker does in training.
Rudisha would have been 10-low in the 100 depending on how good his block start was. He was fast as sh** You seriously think he would lose to freaking Mondo in a 100?
10-low???!!! LOLOLOLOL. My god, do you do stand-up shows?
Go read the posts about how non-sprinters wildly overestimate sprint times. You are Exhibit A.
To be honest I do think Rudisha could've been a 10.8 or 10.9 guy at most. He was more of the 400/800 type than 1500, he didn't touch the 1500m that much. I remember in an interview he stated he felt he could run sub 45 for 400M which I think is believable. He was a 45.50 open 400m guy, so he was for sure good for at least 21 mid in the 200m and probably barely under 11.00 for 100m
10-low???!!! LOLOLOLOL. My god, do you do stand-up shows?
Go read the posts about how non-sprinters wildly overestimate sprint times. You are Exhibit A.
To be honest I do think Rudisha could've been a 10.8 or 10.9 guy at most. He was more of the 400/800 type than 1500, he didn't touch the 1500m that much. I remember in an interview he stated he felt he could run sub 45 for 400M which I think is believable. He was a 45.50 open 400m guy, so he was for sure good for at least 21 mid in the 200m and probably barely under 11.00 for 100m
sounds about right. Case in point: Amos ran 21.34 off a 44.99 and 1:41.73.
As a former much slower 800/1500m runner, I feel like it's got to be faster than that.
He's an elite 1500/5k guy though, big difference from 800/1500m
Hell, even Nick Symmonds, a 1:42 guy, only managed a 47.45 weeks before he set his PB. 48-49 sounds about right for Hocker.
This is where it gets interesting because you can argue there are two types of 800m runners. One is the speed-based 400/800 type and the other is the aerobic-based 800/1500 type (like Hocker and Symmonds)
Even though Symmonds only ran 47.45, his 1500m PB was 3:34 which he ran a year after his 1:42, so he was probably in mid-low 3:30 shape in 2012. Combine that with 47.4 open 400 speed and it's obvious why he was able to run sub 1:43.
Symmonds was definitely not a sub 13:00 5K runner though. I don't know what his 5k PB is but I doubt it's anything faster than low 14:00s tops. But like I said, that doesn't matter because he was still capable of a 3:34 1500m and 47.4 400m.
Hocker is more distance-oriented than Symmonds which explains why he is a lot stronger at 1500/5k, but not at 400/800.
There are also pure speed 400/800 guys who are weak (but still respectable) over 1500m but can throw down an low 45sec 400M or under. Will Sumner for example is a 1:44 guy and ran 45.06 at USAs this year. Cooper Lutkenhaus ran 46.30 at a HS meet and as we all know, is a 1:42 low man. (he could for sure dip into the 45's as well, I think he split 45 low at a district meet)
As a former much slower 800/1500m runner, I feel like it's got to be faster than that.
He's an elite 1500/5k guy though, big difference from 800/1500m
Hell, even Nick Symmonds, a 1:42 guy, only managed a 47.45 weeks before he set his PB. 48-49 sounds about right for Hocker.
You're probably right. 48 just sounds slow having seen my pre-trackflaction D3 mid-distance teammates run 48s/49s. Then again these are actual 800 runners and you raise a good point that Hocker is 1500/5k.
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I think we see Hockers kick and think of him as a speed based guy forgetting he's run a 7:23 3k, #6 all-time. His 1500 is his best event, then ranking goes 3k, 5k, 800, 10k then finally his open 400.