Kudos, Nader. It is what it is. These are "races," not time trials and what it takes to win will vary based on the participants, conditions, pace, etc. If the fastest guys allowed slightly slower guys to stay in it, that's on them for not pushing harder. I know it wasn't that fast, but it was an exciting race IMO.
I was in the UK Team because of the Marathon, and when we spoke about the chances for 1500m I suggested to control Nader, because I was in touch with his coach (the Spanish Enrique Pascual) and I knew his ability in case of tactical races. In this case, he's favourite by the fact to be short of stature, morphology that can allow to find the best choices during the last 300m when there are a lot of runners trying to increase the space, and for athetes able to run with high frequency is easier to find the right position withou being boxed.
This attitude is not enough in case of fast race, but Nader ran in 1'43"86 and in 3'29"27, showing he is one of the best in the world in any kind of race.
What is interesting is his PB in 10 km on road, ran this year : 28'01", showing that a high level of aerobic power can be the best support for the improving the specific speed endurance, giving the athlete the possibility to develop more training in the specific area.
But one thing I don't understand : the fact tat the stronest athletes accepted races very slow, risking to give opportunity of victory to many athletes who, with a race a little bit faster, couldn't be a factor in the last lap. This didn't influenced the final positions in 10000m, since the medallists had all a wide range from 1500m till HM, showing that working for long distances combining long fast run and short tests is the winning system (Jimmy Gressier Gold medal 3'32"71, 7'30"18 indoor, 12'54"92, 26'55"67 and 59'45", Yomif Kejelcha 3'31"25, 7'23"64, 12'38"95, 26'31"01 and 57'30" that was WR, Andreas Almgren 1'45"59, 3'32"00, 7'31"42, 12'44"27, 26'52"87 and 59'23"), but of sure was the factor of the elimination of Habz and Jakob in the first round of 1500m, and of the victory of Beamish in 3000 steeple.
Nader has done nothing of note until this year when his performances are far superior to what he showed earlier in his career. He's completely flown beneath the radar until the age of 26, which was when many md runners had already peaked and retired. Color me sceptical.
Love to see you apply the same logic to a 31 year old Wightman, who prior to the WC this year, who hasn't performed well since winning in 2022 after being plagued by injuries. I'm happy for Wightman and am not casting any suspicion on his race today. But man, you always have a theme here when casting suspicion on non-white non-brits
Army brings this out against everyone. He (like Trollism) starts out with the premise that everyone is doping, unless/until proven otherwise. The cynicism is rather tiresome for people who don't really understand the sport (but think they do), and borders on just being stupid for its own sake (trolling). It is why his opinion isn't taken seriously by anyone.
Nader has done nothing of note until this year when his performances are far superior to what he showed earlier in his career. He's completely flown beneath the radar until the age of 26, which was when many md runners had already peaked and retired. Color me sceptical.
Fourth at world indoors last year??
The indoors are an inferior competition to the outdoors. 4th reinforces that he made no significant impression. If you want to cite the indoors for demonstrating talent you could contrast him with Geordie Beamish who won the title against a good field, beating Hocker among others. In this sport I've learned not to trust nobodies coming from nowhere to win the biggest titles.
Love to see you apply the same logic to a 31 year old Wightman, who prior to the WC this year, who hasn't performed well since winning in 2022 after being plagued by injuries. I'm happy for Wightman and am not casting any suspicion on his race today. But man, you always have a theme here when casting suspicion on non-white non-brits
Army brings this out against everyone. He (like Trollism) starts out with the premise that everyone is doping, unless/until proven otherwise. The cynicism is rather tiresome for people who don't really understand the sport (but think they do), and borders on just being stupid for its own sake (trolling). It is why his opinion isn't taken seriously by anyone.
I don't bring this out against everyone; only those I find dubious. None of you picked this guy to win. Wightman you all knew of and rated as a possibility. He is a former champion who became beset by injuries - and he again showed what he is capable of in this race.
I was in the UK Team because of the Marathon, and when we spoke about the chances for 1500m I suggested to control Nader, because I was in touch with his coach (the Spanish Enrique Pascual) and I knew his ability in case of tactical races. In this case, he's favourite by the fact to be short of stature, morphology that can allow to find the best choices during the last 300m when there are a lot of runners trying to increase the space, and for athetes able to run with high frequency is easier to find the right position withou being boxed.
This attitude is not enough in case of fast race, but Nader ran in 1'43"86 and in 3'29"27, showing he is one of the best in the world in any kind of race.
What is interesting is his PB in 10 km on road, ran this year : 28'01", showing that a high level of aerobic power can be the best support for the improving the specific speed endurance, giving the athlete the possibility to develop more training in the specific area.
But one thing I don't understand : the fact tat the stronest athletes accepted races very slow, risking to give opportunity of victory to many athletes who, with a race a little bit faster, couldn't be a factor in the last lap. This didn't influenced the final positions in 10000m, since the medallists had all a wide range from 1500m till HM, showing that working for long distances combining long fast run and short tests is the winning system (Jimmy Gressier Gold medal 3'32"71, 7'30"18 indoor, 12'54"92, 26'55"67 and 59'45", Yomif Kejelcha 3'31"25, 7'23"64, 12'38"95, 26'31"01 and 57'30" that was WR, Andreas Almgren 1'45"59, 3'32"00, 7'31"42, 12'44"27, 26'52"87 and 59'23"), but of sure was the factor of the elimination of Habz and Jakob in the first round of 1500m, and of the victory of Beamish in 3000 steeple.
Coach Canova, good to see you back again. How would anyone have controlled Nader? What racing tactics would you have recommended?
The indoors are an inferior competition to the outdoors. 4th reinforces that he made no significant impression. If you want to cite the indoors for demonstrating talent you could contrast him with Geordie Beamish who won the title against a good field, beating Hocker among others. In this sport I've learned not to trust nobodies coming from nowhere to win the biggest titles.
But Nadar won it with a somewhat "pedestrian" (or at least not "amazing") time. It's not like he blew by a field of multiple contenders running 3:29 pace. So it's really not that odd or surprising.
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Nader has done nothing of note until this year when his performances are far superior to what he showed earlier in his career. He's completely flown beneath the radar until the age of 26, which was when many md runners had already peaked and retired. Color me sceptical.
Love to see you apply the same logic to a 31 year old Wightman, who prior to the WC this year, who hasn't performed well since winning in 2022 after being plagued by injuries. I'm happy for Wightman and am not casting any suspicion on his race today. But man, you always have a theme here when casting suspicion on non-white non-brits
I have questioned British runners in other threads; you seem not to have seen that. I have also expressed scepticism about Caucasian runners generally - Hull and Bell, for example, as well as certain Norwegian and American runners. But the fact is that the higher known incidence of doping is amongst runners who've come out of Africa. Kenya has become appalling.
I question this guy because until these championships he was a journeyman, a mediocrity at this level. No one here picked him to win and certainly not with a crushing finish over much higher-rated athletes.
I don't give Wightman an automatic free pass but he has a record of achievement. Injury clearly prevented him from fulfilling his potential.
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I don't bring this out against everyone; only those I find dubious. None of you picked this guy to win. Wightman you all knew of and rated as a possibility. He is a former champion who became beset by injuries - and he again showed what he is capable of in this race.
Way to avoid the actual point and over exaggerate what I said. You claimed Nader is only suspicious to you because he is 26 and had a good year, I countered and pointed out that Wightman had an okay year at age 31 after not having a great year since 2022.
I pointed out that your accusations are mostly directed at either non-whites or non-brits, I never claimed it was "everyone". Again, people might agree with some of what you have to say if there is unbiased consistency given every once in a while
Nader has come from nowhere; Wightman has already been a world champion. His break due to injury explains his comeback. There is no such explanation for Nader. Their respective careers are quite different.
You are wrong if you think I see doping according to racial criteria. As I have said in other threads, doping is everywhere but in some countries more than others. Russia and Kenya have shown that.
The indoors are an inferior competition to the outdoors. 4th reinforces that he made no significant impression. If you want to cite the indoors for demonstrating talent you could contrast him with Geordie Beamish who won the title against a good field, beating Hocker among others. In this sport I've learned not to trust nobodies coming from nowhere to win the biggest titles.
You are the nobody. Isaac is a 1:43 guy. This was the perfect race for him. But yout comment is to be expected. Tall poppy syndrome.