16 year old Sorato Shimizu runs 10.00 (+1.7) for new age-16 world record

Contrasty wrote:

Tears on the Way wrote:

One thing that is never mentioned is that testing for certain steroids doesn’t work that well with Asians, and sometimes isn’t quite as effective with other races as well. Usually those tests work better on whites because the the tests were developed by whites using white test subjects. I remember reading about this years ago ancouple of times and then it was smothered for the usual reasons. (Here come the usual howls of raciam)

As for this kid in Japan, I doubt he’s juicing. But if he improves a bit more and starts beating American sprinters we’ll hear silly remarks from the American sprinters, like Renaldo Nehemiah and others made when Xiang was mopping the floor with everyone, “…he’s not really fast, he’s so slow his technique is letting him get over the hurdles cleaner,” and more. Like Edwin Moses coming up with every rationalization he could to pretend he could beat Warholm and Benjamin when in fact Warholm and Benjamin have much better basic speed etc. - and it’s not only due to shoes, tracks, and so on, they’re simply faster sprinters.

Rooting for the Japanese flash for the comedy gold it could provide here in the US.

It's not because the tests were developed on whites, it has to do with how testosterone and epitestosterone are excreted in urine. Most Asian people have physiology that makes the easiest drug screen obsolete.

Sprintgeezer wrote:

Two guys from the "recent" era who come to mind when I think about monster turnover are Collins and Dix.

Neither of them just ran the 100m, both had true sprint form, phases, and race model, Dix moreso then Collins IMO on the last point.

To maintain turnover like that, it can be done relatively easily with less knee lift--think Simbine. It can work for maintenance, and even in the 200, like Akbar. It prevents fatigue and forced motion, which often is the result of ham cramps and tears. It makes it easy to cycle, repeatedly.

But this guy actually has some better essential form at speed. If he can amplify that a bit and stay uninjured, he will be very good, and maybe even credible in the 200, a sort of Pietro Mennea 2.0

I suspect he doesn't have a very high vmax, and to really excel, he will need to develop that vmax bloom that the greats have all had, think Powell here, or D. Bailey, or Gay.

Whatever, happens, it will be interesting to watch. Still waiting for Boonson to deliver something in his adulthood.

Sprintgeezer wrote:

Well, that's the thing: as far as I can see, he runs an absolutely typical Japanese race pattern, with typical Japanese technique, overall.

Think of all the Japanese guys other than AHSB, and maybe Kiryu--guys like Yamagata, Suetsugu, and all the guys who came before them. A huge emphasis on quickness, rather than on power to the ground, even on the start. They tend to be lighter, so their power-to-weight is still good, but they lack in later parts of races because they burn up so much energy in the first part, just like Kim Collins used to.

It's not body proportions, either. Look at Kiryu, he has more of a western style.

And it's not an "Asian thing". Look at Su, he had an exemplary western style, one of the best ever.

This guy does have better knee lift than most, but still seems to run the 100m rather than sprint it--which is why this time is amazing. Of course big power isn't to be expected at age 16. His start form is nothing particularly interesting, his drive phase is meh, his transition just isn't, because he is essentially doing the same thing from 3 steps to the 100m mark.

16 yo's still have that neurology, where yeah they can keep churning like mofo's all the way through 100m and beyond. The thing is, he just does it faster than anybody else has, ever, at that age.

I don't see much upside for him ever, unless he changes his race model, to best take advantage of appropriate form changes in the different phases.

Yeah men's sprinting MAY have gotten more popular in Japan, but it has been a going concern for a long time now. They all do the 100m the same way, which is unsurprising, given that they are a very homogenous culture. This makes me think that there is a selection effect, that is, they only pick/advance those who show promise in their standard race model from an early age.

Which is ridiculous. Look at a guy like Fearon, do you think that a guy like him would ever get a shot in Japan? What about a guy like Lemaitre, where is the 6-3 or 6-4 Japanese sprinter? And yes, there are Japanese guys that tall. You ever seen the average height of frenchmen? He didn't have mad turnover, but he has blown the doors off every Japanese male sprinter, especially in the 200, where the best Japanese guy still hasn't gone sub-20.

Yeah this time MIGHT be legit, but we'll see what happens. Boonson hasn't continued to develop. Hopefully this guy doesn't turn into another Friday