Whole story is wild. If Rae isn’t lying (a gigantic IF):
Marvin Bracy wanted to dope, so he asked Rae. Rae connected him with Dennis Mitchell’s guy. Bracy confessed to Dennis Mitchell he got a shot. Dennis then ran to USADA because he went around him to use his Dr.?
Of course many parts of this don’t make sense. Why is this under wraps for one? Why would Mitchell burn his own supplier? Did Bracy ever even test positive? Why of all people would you go to Rae (the biggest loudmouth in track) to connect you to a drug supplier?
Rae has said Mitchell was both pissed that the Dr. worked with Bracy and also didn’t know he did before reporting Bracy. That doesn’t add up, which is kinda why you need to take anything he says with a grain of salt.
Here is Rae’s version of events based on his tweets (so you should probably assume most of this is not true):
- Rae gives Bracy the # to the doctor “everyone” in the sport is using.
- Bracy gets an injection in his leg of some kind of PED that leaves him unable to participate in practice that same day.
- Bracy tells coach Dennis Mitchell that he cannot participate in practice, thinking that Mitchell will understand because according to Rae a lot of Mitchell’s athletes see the same doctor.
- Mitchell tells USADA what Bracy said and July 2023 USADA provisionally suspends Bracy.
- Rae claims Mitchell snitched because Mitchell didn’t want other athletes using this same doctor (which IMO seems less plausible than Mitchell thinking the whole thing was a setup or Mitchell being afraid Bracy would test positive and throw him under the bus).
- Rae claims he has been provisionally suspended by USADA since October 2024 for aiding and abetting Bracy.
- Rae has not claimed that Bracy ever tested positive (remember that Jon Drummond was busted based on Tyson Gay’s claims that he used banned substances JD was aware of at the Olympics, even though Gay was tested at the Olympics and never came back positive, not even on retest)
- The speculation from others is that this involves Eric Lira, but I’m not sure the timeline is plausible for that unless there were some fairly large delays between Bracy telling Mitchell and USADA issuing the suspension.
(My commentary) With any USADA case, the initial suspension is provisional until the case has been adjudicated, and normally this provisional suspension is not public.
*Typically* USADA uses various methods to get the matter adjudicated quickly, so the secret part of the suspension doesn’t last long, but if the athlete (or the people around them) want to blow a bunch of money on lawyers, that can drag the process on.
Demi Payne was provisionally suspended for 2.5 years before her ban was announced. USADA claims the delay was due to an anonymous tip that someone spiked the drinks at the meet she tested positive at.
Eliud Ngetich was an even weirder case. He tested positive in 2014, his ban was not announced until 2021, and it was backdated and he had competed during that time. USADA claims he provided substantial assistance, but it is not clear how or that his assistance led to anyone else getting charged.
I don’t think I have ever seen anyone under a provisional suspension make that information public, and I’m super curious if USADA will try to take any other action for Rae exposing Bracy, if what Rae is saying is true, that he is involved in the case.
Mitchell got into very hot water after getting stung/baited by an undercover European news crew (from GB if I remember correctly) so of course Mitchell was going to be very careful and report Bracy. Mitchell could not discount the thought he was getting set up again. Bracy should have known better but most of those guys are not the sharpest tools in the shed. I'm quite surprised Mitchell survived the news crew scandal apparently without a scratch.
should be banned for life. used a PED and then tampered with the investigation = permanent lifetime ban
If he takes down the doctor and his clients…at 45 months his careers done anyway
It's going to be interesting to see which - if any - Mitchell athletes DNS next year. Are we going to see some 'injuries', or maybe off-cycle, out-of-form athletes (especially considering no majors....may as well play it safe & not risk being target tested until it goes quiet again..)
Here is Rae’s version of events based on his tweets (so you should probably assume most of this is not true):
- Rae gives Bracy the # to the doctor “everyone” in the sport is using.
- Bracy gets an injection in his leg of some kind of PED that leaves him unable to participate in practice that same day.
- Bracy tells coach Dennis Mitchell that he cannot participate in practice, thinking that Mitchell will understand because according to Rae a lot of Mitchell’s athletes see the same doctor.
- Mitchell tells USADA what Bracy said and July 2023 USADA provisionally suspends Bracy.
- Rae claims Mitchell snitched because Mitchell didn’t want other athletes using this same doctor (which IMO seems less plausible than Mitchell thinking the whole thing was a setup or Mitchell being afraid Bracy would test positive and throw him under the bus).
- Rae claims he has been provisionally suspended by USADA since October 2024 for aiding and abetting Bracy.
- Rae has not claimed that Bracy ever tested positive (remember that Jon Drummond was busted based on Tyson Gay’s claims that he used banned substances JD was aware of at the Olympics, even though Gay was tested at the Olympics and never came back positive, not even on retest)
- The speculation from others is that this involves Eric Lira, but I’m not sure the timeline is plausible for that unless there were some fairly large delays between Bracy telling Mitchell and USADA issuing the suspension.
(My commentary) With any USADA case, the initial suspension is provisional until the case has been adjudicated, and normally this provisional suspension is not public.
*Typically* USADA uses various methods to get the matter adjudicated quickly, so the secret part of the suspension doesn’t last long, but if the athlete (or the people around them) want to blow a bunch of money on lawyers, that can drag the process on.
Demi Payne was provisionally suspended for 2.5 years before her ban was announced. USADA claims the delay was due to an anonymous tip that someone spiked the drinks at the meet she tested positive at.
Eliud Ngetich was an even weirder case. He tested positive in 2014, his ban was not announced until 2021, and it was backdated and he had competed during that time. USADA claims he provided substantial assistance, but it is not clear how or that his assistance led to anyone else getting charged.
I don’t think I have ever seen anyone under a provisional suspension make that information public, and I’m super curious if USADA will try to take any other action for Rae exposing Bracy, if what Rae is saying is true, that he is involved in the case.
Mitchell got into very hot water after getting stung/baited by an undercover European news crew (from GB if I remember correctly) so of course Mitchell was going to be very careful and report Bracy. Mitchell could not discount the thought he was getting set up again. Bracy should have known better but most of those guys are not the sharpest tools in the shed. I'm quite surprised Mitchell survived the news crew scandal apparently without a scratch.
Not hot enough clearly. What does it take to get US T&F to abandon one of their prized doping coaches?
I told y'all the Brits are dirty. When are those limeys going to give Jackson Sholz his true gold medal that Harold Abrahams stole? They were setting up the Alan Wells state sponsored doping program back in the 19th century. Should never have saved their limey butts at Hastings. Next time, keep the marines at home!
Here is Rae’s version of events based on his tweets (so you should probably assume most of this is not true):
- Rae gives Bracy the # to the doctor “everyone” in the sport is using.
- Bracy gets an injection in his leg of some kind of PED that leaves him unable to participate in practice that same day.
- Bracy tells coach Dennis Mitchell that he cannot participate in practice, thinking that Mitchell will understand because according to Rae a lot of Mitchell’s athletes see the same doctor.
- Mitchell tells USADA what Bracy said and July 2023 USADA provisionally suspends Bracy.
- Rae claims Mitchell snitched because Mitchell didn’t want other athletes using this same doctor (which IMO seems less plausible than Mitchell thinking the whole thing was a setup or Mitchell being afraid Bracy would test positive and throw him under the bus).
- Rae claims he has been provisionally suspended by USADA since October 2024 for aiding and abetting Bracy.
- Rae has not claimed that Bracy ever tested positive (remember that Jon Drummond was busted based on Tyson Gay’s claims that he used banned substances JD was aware of at the Olympics, even though Gay was tested at the Olympics and never came back positive, not even on retest)
- The speculation from others is that this involves Eric Lira, but I’m not sure the timeline is plausible for that unless there were some fairly large delays between Bracy telling Mitchell and USADA issuing the suspension.
(My commentary) With any USADA case, the initial suspension is provisional until the case has been adjudicated, and normally this provisional suspension is not public.
*Typically* USADA uses various methods to get the matter adjudicated quickly, so the secret part of the suspension doesn’t last long, but if the athlete (or the people around them) want to blow a bunch of money on lawyers, that can drag the process on.
Demi Payne was provisionally suspended for 2.5 years before her ban was announced. USADA claims the delay was due to an anonymous tip that someone spiked the drinks at the meet she tested positive at.
Eliud Ngetich was an even weirder case. He tested positive in 2014, his ban was not announced until 2021, and it was backdated and he had competed during that time. USADA claims he provided substantial assistance, but it is not clear how or that his assistance led to anyone else getting charged.
I don’t think I have ever seen anyone under a provisional suspension make that information public, and I’m super curious if USADA will try to take any other action for Rae exposing Bracy, if what Rae is saying is true, that he is involved in the case.
Mitchell got into very hot water after getting stung/baited by an undercover European news crew (from GB if I remember correctly) so of course Mitchell was going to be very careful and report Bracy. Mitchell could not discount the thought he was getting set up again. Bracy should have known better but most of those guys are not the sharpest tools in the shed. I'm quite surprised Mitchell survived the news crew scandal apparently without a scratch.
Yep that makes the most sense! Remember Bracy ran with Lance then Rand immediately preceeding Dennis. Rana athletes were leaving after the whole Lyra issue. Idk why he’d tell Dennis he got a shot!
Mitchell got into very hot water after getting stung/baited by an undercover European news crew (from GB if I remember correctly) so of course Mitchell was going to be very careful and report Bracy. Mitchell could not discount the thought he was getting set up again. Bracy should have known better but most of those guys are not the sharpest tools in the shed. I'm quite surprised Mitchell survived the news crew scandal apparently without a scratch.
Not hot enough clearly. What does it take to get US T&F to abandon one of their prized doping coaches?
Bracy just transferred to Mitchell. He was with Rana before that. Rae was being messy because he doesn’t like Dennis but he hurt himself and his friends in the process.
The USTAF/USADA utterly corrupt. They will absolutely hide or bury doping suspensions. It is impossible to trust anything, and it is why people (including me) believe that they are actively hiding doping positives and that busted athletes are being shielded from exposure.
ya, absolutely, ncaa as well. looks like it will be blown wide open this time?
this covett fellow, who got the african doping right, ad nausium, yet was kind of a service, to be a friend of all so called races, he should harp about the western doping, asian doping, carribbean doping, etc. etc.
the too big to fail athletes might still skate, though, if the idols come down, everything comes down when it comes to the drug testing authorities and athletic commiissions. etc.
If he takes down the doctor and his clients…at 45 months his careers done anyway
It's going to be interesting to see which - if any - Mitchell athletes DNS next year. Are we going to see some 'injuries', or maybe off-cycle, out-of-form athletes (especially considering no majors....may as well play it safe & not risk being target tested until it goes quiet again..)
Rae is going live in about 35 minutes. He is very rambly (and I'm a somewhat rambly guy tbh, but he's next-level). I guess might as well tune in.
It's going to be interesting to see which - if any - Mitchell athletes DNS next year. Are we going to see some 'injuries', or maybe off-cycle, out-of-form athletes (especially considering no majors....may as well play it safe & not risk being target tested until it goes quiet again..)
Rae is going live in about 35 minutes. He is very rambly (and I'm a somewhat rambly guy tbh, but he's next-level). I guess might as well tune in.
His version of events is essentially what he said on X in August with a few extra details. Here's what he claims happened:
-A few weeks after the 2023 World Champs, Rae was on the phone with Marvin Bracy. Bracy claimed he had been clean to that point in his career and didn't think it was possible that the best guys were so much better than him that year.
-Rae responded by saying he didn't know if the top guys were doping, but if they were, he knew who was doping them. And he gave Bracy the phone number of this person.
-Bracy reached out to this person and got PEDs. One day, he told Dennis Mitchell (his coach at the time) that he couldn't practice that day because he had taken a PED shot. Mitchell then reported him.
-USADA provisionally suspended Rae in October 2024 for aiding and abetting Bracy by providing him with the phone number for the doping source (whom Rae did not name in the video).
-Rae isn't contesting his suspension because he admits he gave Bracy the number. But he feels that both his and Bracy's suspensions are excessive.
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"This resulted in a 21-month period of ineligibility for Bracy-Williams’s violations for his testosterone use and for his attempted tampering."
Ridiculously low, actually. Less than 2 years for testo + tampering? Compare that to Houlihan (4 years for nandro) and Katir (4 years for whereabouts + for tampering) and Kipsang (4 years for whereabouts + tampering) + Cherono (7 years for trimetazidine + tampering) + Ekiru (10 years for triamcinolone acetonide and pethidine + tampering).
Cherono is actually the most direct comparison: both 1 PED forbidden at all times + tampering, and both admitted it later. But no spilling of the beans from Cherono. Is spilling worth more than a 5 year reduction?
Plus:
"USADA determined that a 24-month period of ineligibility for the Whereabouts rule violation was appropriate based on the circumstances of the case."
Why is there no comment from Rojo/Wejo/Gault in this thread after multiple weeks? —-something is very fishy here.
despite the fact that one of those guys consistently states that silent bans don't exist. yeah, strange lol
We talked about Bracy on the podcast a few weeks or months ago. I think the conclusion was he definitely had to be serving a doping ban of some sort.
This is a big story. I plan on writing a story with a title along the lines of : "One of the world's fastest men didn't try out out for the Olympics because he was serving a secret doping ban."
But it's like they aren't announcing the ban. They did announce it. We can debate the delay - personally I don't think the delays make much sense or help that much as if people aren't competing and not talking about an injury, the natural inclination is to assume they are caught up in a doping case.
I'm for full transparency on all of this. If someone misses a test, publish it. If they test positive, publish it.
His version of events is essentially what he said on X in August with a few extra details. Here's what he claims happened:
-A few weeks after the 2023 World Champs, Rae was on the phone with Marvin Bracy. Bracy claimed he had been clean to that point in his career and didn't think it was possible that the best guys were so much better than him that year.
-Rae responded by saying he didn't know if the top guys were doping, but if they were, he knew who was doping them. And he gave Bracy the phone number of this person.
-Bracy reached out to this person and got PEDs. One day, he told Dennis Mitchell (his coach at the time) that he couldn't practice that day because he had taken a PED shot. Mitchell then reported him.
-USADA provisionally suspended Rae in October 2024 for aiding and abetting Bracy by providing him with the phone number for the doping source (whom Rae did not name in the video).
-Rae isn't contesting his suspension because he admits he gave Bracy the number. But he feels that both his and Bracy's suspensions are excessive.
If what Bracy is saying is true, it indicates that medaling in the 100m while being clean, is possible. It also means he was clean while training with Rana. Also, Rana never had an athlete test positive until Okabare came to the group. She has a history of being associated with suspected drug coaches and connections prior to joining his group. Bracy should have stayed with Rana.
Bracy just transferred to Mitchell. He was with Rana before that. Rae was being messy because he doesn’t like Dennis but he hurt himself and his friends in the process.
Bracy was with Reider since 2020, and switched to Mitchell in September 2023 (or earlier). His positive test was from February 2024.
Mitchell got into very hot water after getting stung/baited by an undercover European news crew (from GB if I remember correctly) so of course Mitchell was going to be very careful and report Bracy. Mitchell could not discount the thought he was getting set up again. Bracy should have known better but most of those guys are not the sharpest tools in the shed. I'm quite surprised Mitchell survived the news crew scandal apparently without a scratch.
Not hot enough clearly. What does it take to get US T&F to abandon one of their prized doping coaches?
Bob Kersee going on 40+ years of the program. Run Sydney Run!
Maybe he can join fred kerley in the enhanced games? What else can he do He is Mid 30's His Supension is long I Heard he wont be able to run in 2028, So He will miss The Olympics, any One Looking to give a Man Pushing 40 who missed The Last 2 Olympics for being Suspended. Enhancement Games is Probably his best option
Bracy just transferred to Mitchell. He was with Rana before that. Rae was being messy because he doesn’t like Dennis but he hurt himself and his friends in the process.
Bracy was with Reider since 2020, and switched to Mitchell in September 2023 (or earlier). His positive test was from February 2024.
Dennis didn’t give him the drugs. He took it himself and Dennis actually told on him. Why would he feel the need to go outside his coach for drugs unless he was already in them?
His version of events is essentially what he said on X in August with a few extra details. Here's what he claims happened:
-A few weeks after the 2023 World Champs, Rae was on the phone with Marvin Bracy. Bracy claimed he had been clean to that point in his career and didn't think it was possible that the best guys were so much better than him that year.
-Rae responded by saying he didn't know if the top guys were doping, but if they were, he knew who was doping them. And he gave Bracy the phone number of this person.
-Bracy reached out to this person and got PEDs. One day, he told Dennis Mitchell (his coach at the time) that he couldn't practice that day because he had taken a PED shot. Mitchell then reported him.
-USADA provisionally suspended Rae in October 2024 for aiding and abetting Bracy by providing him with the phone number for the doping source (whom Rae did not name in the video).
-Rae isn't contesting his suspension because he admits he gave Bracy the number. But he feels that both his and Bracy's suspensions are excessive.
If what Bracy is saying is true, it indicates that medaling in the 100m while being clean, is possible. It also means he was clean while training with Rana. Also, Rana never had an athlete test positive until Okabare came to the group. She has a history of being associated with suspected drug coaches and connections prior to joining his group. Bracy should have stayed with Rana.
I know you don’t believe that BS. He was clearly doping before Dennis.
I'm for full transparency on all of this. If someone misses a test, publish it. If they test positive, publish it.
100%!
His missed tests are also interesting:
"The Whereabouts Failures occurred on August 10, 2023, October 4, 2023, and June 4, 2024."
And then, why only "After receiving credible information from a whistleblower in early 2024"? Shouldn't two missed tests within two months lead to target testing? USADA asleep on the wheel again...