COOPER LUTKENHAUS 1:45.45 IN THE RAIN

I was having this discussion with someone recently. Is there a new drug out? If it is, it must be being used in both men and women, in many countries, at all levels of the sport (and at all intersections of each of those).

Alternatively, the combination of shoes, track surfaces, elevated competition, or a minute shift in training philosophy has affected everyone simultaneously.

Maybe the bicarb works, I reluctantly admit

I think we got quite lucky that he runs the 800. Basically anywhere else a soph running 46.30 would be a full-time 400 runner. You have to wonder how many other HS 400m runners in the 47 low-46 high range should just be moving up.

Andrew Salvadon strikes me as one. 45.7 without ever having run faster than 21.6, despite consistently running the 200.

It should also be pointed out that Granville's former 800 meter record was soft. For example, Quincy Wilson's time of 44.20 in the 400m translates on the World Athletics tables to 1:43 flat for 800 meters, while Hobbs Kessler's time of 3:34.4 in the 1500m translates to 1:44.7.

But barring injury, Cooper will take the 800m HS record somewhere in that territory.

Gees these races were uncanny so alike

Shoes.

In the pre-cheat shoes era this would be the "sophomore record" -- like 1:48.xx or so.

Cade Flatt quivering from his music studio rn

No words for Lutkenhaus.

Unimaginable to me. Obscene talent.

It's great watching him compete.

nah,about low 1.47's.

More like low 1:46s - the “super shoes” don’t help that much in the 800…yet.

I know these are from the official results so I guess the on-screen clock was off because I think it's pretty clear to see from the broadcast splits of

26.2, 26.3 (52.5) 26.7, (1.19.2) 26.2 (1.45.4). Even down to 1.32.4 at 700m so he closes in 13.0

What I am consistently stunned/impressed about with Luktenhaus is how disciplined and controlled he is in the opening 200m of his races. He never blasts off the line and runs too hard which means he stays as far away from his threshold as possible (even for a 200m at the start of a race) which is so important especially for bigger 800m guys and so incredibly important when it comes to power in the final 200.

Now granted he is a considerable step ahead of his peers so especially in an 8-10 person field, nobody is challenging him for his preferred spot on the track so he can really execute those opening 200's through the bell exactly how he likes. But man, he is being really well coached and advised on how to piece together these performances and his discipline in doing so is really outstanding for a 16 year old. Incredible.

I guarantee lutkenhaus has a 1:44 in there somewhere. I said it a while back and got downvoted: who cares what his range is, he’s obviously an 800 guy. Until he runs a sub 3:35 idc what his 3200 time is. He needs to drop the mileage eventually and lean into 800 training. And yeah granvilles record was super soft, there’s been a lot of 18 year olds who have been sub 146 over the years pre super shoes and whatever else these guys are taking now.

Let's not also forget wavelight in this particular race. So when he first broke the record up in Seattle at the Brooks meet, I think he again had the plan out getting out almost "as slow as possible", but without any pace guidance he got it ever so slightly wrong and was out too slow at the bell (53.6) to really run to his potential. In the race yesterday he just keyed perfectly off the lights - it's so obvious to see that. Was just behind the lead light though 400, basically right at the lead light through 600 and then really the job is done in terms of setting yourself up physiologically to run your best and that's where he just eased ahead and away from them in the final 200.

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Granny would have smoked this kid.

Drop the mileage? He averages between 30 - 35 mpw.

I haven't checked the standards, is the time good enough to get him into USA's?

He already looks like a man.

Not sure he can develop more than a few seconds.

But if he keeps it up, 1.42-43 should be doable.

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Roger Moans sounds like a porn name. Did you mean Roger Moens? The Belgian who set the WR in 1955?

"What would he have ran (sic) if it had been sunny? 1:44?"

Yes, he could almost certainly run 1:44 in good conditions now in open competition.