"not performing as pros", I think has to do with two things injuries and for some runners there isn't much of difference in pro training and college training. If you already are maxing out mileage, etc, what's the difference if you are pro or not? Some runners like Yared Nuguse had to focus on school, etc so there was a lot of room for improvement post college to not have that mental and physical time taken away.
True story. Dude is a genetic and mechanical freak. He would drop 25’s at the end of our 200m sessions [2x8x200m w/ 30s jog between and 2’ between sets] where he would already be averaging 29/30. This was 2 years ago. It was simply a matter of time for him to be confident in his racing and to develop more aerobically.
Bro is quoting a bum workout as evidence that someone doesn't cheat. Also, did y'all just guess where the start/finish was with 30 second jog rec because there's no way you're getting back to the 200m mark.
True story. Dude is a genetic and mechanical freak. He would drop 25’s at the end of our 200m sessions [2x8x200m w/ 30s jog between and 2’ between sets] where he would already be averaging 29/30. This was 2 years ago. It was simply a matter of time for him to be confident in his racing and to develop more aerobically.
Bro is quoting a bum workout as evidence that someone doesn't cheat. Also, did y'all just guess where the start/finish was with 30 second jog rec because there's no way you're getting back to the 200m mark.
CBU has a 305m track. Really quick turns. Athletes would get injured from sessions on it all the time. So 105m jog rest for those 200’s. Rinse and repeat.
@paris2024 poster. I get it you have suspicions. He’s made huge progress. I’ve trained with the dude. I’d be glad to point you to who I actually suspect of doping that ran for CBU. I’ve anonymously called one of these athlete out several times. 2 athletes that have 99.9% doped that are still in the NCAA and have achieved all American honors, not for CBU. However with Valentin, I personally believe is legit. Knowing him personally as well.
Valentin Soca only raced at altitude in South American before coming to CBU. No training partners. From the middle of nowhere. Grew up at altitude.
He then joined a training group that was super competitive at CBU in spring of ‘23. That involved Said Mechaal (now Iowa State), Florian Le Pellac (Hoka) and the others on of the top 5k groups in the country with other foreigners.
This past year he had a coaching change at CBU and they started doing double thresholds. Look at the progression those other top CBU guys had this past year.
He’s also been tested 8 times this year according to his instagram story a few days ago. Much more than other athletes that are running fast.
I trained alongside him at CBU. He knew very little about training when he first came over. Before his Bryan clay 5k race in ‘23 where he challenged Nico Young, he had to be convinced by coach Tribble to start warming up longer than ~30 minutes before gun time, Soca was convinced a 10 minute jog and a few stretches and strides was sufficient enough to race. He ran I think 13:30 that race.
True story. Dude is a genetic and mechanical freak. He would drop 25’s at the end of our 200m sessions [2x8x200m w/ 30s jog between and 2’ between sets] where he would already be averaging 29/30. This was 2 years ago. It was simply a matter of time for him to be confident in his racing and to develop more aerobically.
Yeah, right. His results in South America are at low altitude and he for sure wasn't training under the same coach as Federico Bruno, a guy who got banned for EPO, while he already was at CBU.
You may remember Bruno because he ran 13:11 in April 2023 at Payton Jordan all by himself with no pacers and the rest of the field miles behind, only to be suspended in July 2023 and stripped of all his results since October 2022.
And yes, I can 100% confirm that Soca trained under the same coach at that time (notice also the gap progression between 2022 and 2023). Also, if he has to justify the amount of times he has been tested during the last year via Instagram stories, maybe he has something to hide.
Valentin was getting dropped in workouts until he ran at the Stanford in the 10k in ‘23. He also got demolished in our first 10k at Ben Brown invite. His fitness and confidence was slowly catching up. He talked about how he trained alone and could not do these workouts we were doing by himself back home, and stated over and over how he preferred training here compared to back home. He would opt to sit in the pack most workouts until he gained confidence.
There was no way he was supplied drugs by this coach from a different continent halfway through the season when he started to click.
You mentioned he had a drop in performances in ‘24. He got trampled in the 10k at Stanford where he proceeded to get up and run 28:14. Watch the race video. His 13:44 5k was a controlled effort at a lowkey meet. Tribble was being strategic with his racing that season.
I get it, his progression is crazy. I actually did workouts with him. He showed the capability to run fast 2 whole years ago. But clearly was not aerobically strong. The double threshold training Sean Smith has them doing now is clearly helping.
This is so typical for letsrun to allow people to throw out unverified accusations about certain athletes, let it go, and protect specific athletes. I have gone on here anonymously throwing hints towards an athlete I know personally cheated that ran for CBU, those posts get deleted all the time.