Doping in "hobby jogging"

Nandrolonoe & all anabolic steroids for that fact have had some of the methyl group removed from thd 19 carbon ring of the testosterone molecule. This reduces the androgenic properties of testosterone while maintaining the anabolic benefits.

Anabolic = tissue repair & growth while the androgenic aspects = secondary sexual characteristics & undesired side-effects.

Dr John Ziegler aka/"Montana Jack" is credited with the designing of the first anabolic steroid (Dianabol) in the U.S. through CIBA labs in the late 50s. His Olympic caliber athletes (weight lifters & T&F athletes) on synthetic testosterone were experiencing great anabolic results but suffered undesirable androgenic side-effects. Hence, the development of anabolic steroids & the genie was let out of the bottle.

Anabolic steroids raise testosterone levels just like synthetic testosterone does - just with reduced side-effects. And both synthetic testosterone & anabolic steroids suppress natural testosterone levels to zero after about a year's regular use.

DHEA is sold for pennies for a reason. It doesn't work.

Your experience is pretty interesting but doesn't seem to follow what is touted in the real world. Heck, Floyd Landis was cycling so much test it was ridiculous and it obviously didn't slow him down. Not doubting your experience, just seems to be an outlier and a curiosity. Too bad we don't have more people that could chime in with real world experience.

Nice AI search. Have you ever actually used either compound? If you did you would know there is a world of difference. Try microdosing Nandrolone and then quitting before competition. You will be a eunuch and feel horrible.

From what I have seen on TRT forums over the years, my negative cardio experience is not an outlier. Then again, you don't tend to see a lot of distance runners on those forums. Here is another typical comment:

"I’m going on week 4 of 140/mg week (70/70). I have noticed my mile times have gotten much slower. I went from averaging 30 miles/week at 7:30-8:00 paces to running 50 miles/week at 9:00-9:30 paces. Even after taking 3 days off running I’m still running 9:00 paces. I’d attribute it to the ~8 lbs of water weight I’ve put on. They drew some blood this morning so I’m curious to see where my E2 is at."

You are right about cycling. Exo test was/is very pervasive in that sport. However, I think the differentiator may be that the fluid retention from TRT tends to collect in the feet, calves and knees - all killers for distance runners.

As you say, it would be interesting to hear about the experience of other TRT users. I am genuinely curious if others have had opposite experience.

I run and cycle. It is pretty common (I'd guess 20+%) in cycling and pretty visible who is doing it. The 50+ big muscle mass and ripped look is part of it, but the testosterone users are sometimes also really aggressive. They will often admit it and claim "replacement" and say it isn't for performance, but there they are at the local races. That is just their excuse. It is cheating and they know it, we know it.

There really isn't much that can be done. However, one of the aggressive jerks cut a course in a bike race and I called him on it. He yelled profanity at me in an all ages race with teenagers around us. I had my gopro on and showed the race director. He was told to never come back. Small victory.

I was a national class bodybuilder back in 1980s when anabolic steroids at peak usage before they classified as controlled substances & pushed underground. This was probably before you were even born.

Have you used either compound? And why don't like look up the chemistry of anabolic steroids instead of being such an as*hole punk kid.

They felt "ridiculously good" but you're waiting a bit longer to sport them? Do you sleep on a bed of nails but will spring for a temper-pedic later?

if it worked, it wouldn't cost $10 for a bottle at Publix.

use your brain.

That would also be my impression. I've done USATF Masters and World Senior Games a few times, and made the top three in USATF four times and have scraped onto the world rankings a few times.

Given where I was competitively as an open runner, and where I am now, I doubt many of my rivals are on peds. I think also there are some masters that have the fortunate combination of above average talent and aging more slowly than their cohort, and they become the real outliers.

So nasty lol. You obviously haven't read through the thread where I talk about TRT experience. That was the entire point - to hear from distance runners who have tried TRT.

The question remains, how did your use of testosterone affect your cardio as a distance runner?

Be careful throwing around accusations you can't prove, son

My brother in law trained for years to qualify for Boston but he could never do it despite doing repeatedly doing a higher mile Pfitzinger plan (at the time I thought he had to either have really bad aerobic adaptation or be lying about his mileage (90+ miles a week).

He then was “diagnosed” with a thyroid condition, prescribed something and dropped 10 minutes off his PR. I am not sure if this would be considered doping or if prescription thyroid medications are banned.

about a million aging guys are on testosterone therapy -- there are many commercials on TV advertising it (in the USA). Pretty sure that little patch is a nice booster!!!

Why not?

Can you say more about this?

(And don't tell me it's from eating liver.)

Effecting?

Are guys in their 40s-50s-60s really having sex life problems because of low T?

I am not having any issues there in my mid-40s...sadly the problem is my wife keeping up.

As a masters mid-distance runner I do wonder if TRT could help with muscular fatigue/recovery. I am just so much more trashed than back in my 30s after speedwork and heavy lifting...but the only way I know to prevent losses (and boost T?) is to keep sprinting and lifting heavy.