Homeless people have to pee. They do not have homes (hence the name) with accompanying toilets to use. So they pee where they can.
What would OP suggest?
I also happen to agree with Newname for once. Do you think being homeless is a privilege? You are welcome to donate all of your assets to charity, live on the street, and enjoy the same "privilege." In some sense, this is the way Jesus indicated to get eternal life.
The vast majority of homeless people have an addiction or a mental illness, often both. You should look at it as a health condition. If your solution is to just ship everybody to El Salvador, why not do the same for cancer patients on Medicare: at the end of the day, curing cancer is extremely expensive and a much bigger drag to society, and most of them are going to die anyway, they may as well die in El Salvador.
Once you start to look at the problem as a health problem, the solution becomes a bit more clear, but it requires building infrastructure to provide some sort of housing and treatment facilities allowing for voluntary and involuntary treatment, depending on the conditions. Unfortunately, spending money on the homeless is political kryptonite, so we jail them, which, at the end of the day, is both very expensive and not very effective.
You people are insane. You think society shod just accept people pissing and pooping anywhere they want on public streets? Where do you go to the bathroom when you're out of your home all day on a weekend? Do you just sh1t on the street or do you find a public bathroom? This proves the OPs point that we let the homeless get away with anything and people like you actually enable this behavior.
And why do you act like addiction is some sort of unfortunate accident for the homeless? They choose to out deadly mind altering chemicals in their bodies and commit crimes to feed this habit. These are choices, not unfortunate circumstances. Why would we donate all of our money and choose to live amongst the homeless as you suggest? Most of us have worked hard and made good life decisions. Most of them have not worked hard and made horrible life decisions. This isn't chance or bad luck in most cases.they should be held accountable for the constant daily crimes they commit that negatively impact everyone else in their communities.
You people are insane. You think society shod just accept people pissing and pooping anywhere they want on public streets? Where do you go to the bathroom when you're out of your home all day on a weekend? Do you just sh1t on the street or do you find a public bathroom? This proves the OPs point that we let the homeless get away with anything and people like you actually enable this behavior.
And why do you act like addiction is some sort of unfortunate accident for the homeless? They choose to out deadly mind altering chemicals in their bodies and commit crimes to feed this habit. These are choices, not unfortunate circumstances. Why would we donate all of our money and choose to live amongst the homeless as you suggest? Most of us have worked hard and made good life decisions. Most of them have not worked hard and made horrible life decisions. This isn't chance or bad luck in most cases.they should be held accountable for the constant daily crimes they commit that negatively impact everyone else in their communities.
My interest is solving the problem of people pooping and pissing on the street in the most cost'effective and humane way. You seem mostly focused on punishing them, which may feel satisfying, but does not solve anything.
Upset that homeless people are breaking the law so I'm going to advocate for a solution that's against the law.
What law? Libs are always trying to appeal the some mythical international law that the U.S. is obligated to follow. Real life does not work like high school model UN. We have the nuclear bombs, two massive oceans, an un invadible continent, and the most powerful military in the history of the world. The law is whatever we say it is at that moment. If the ICC, UN, EU, WEE or any other globalist cabal has a problem with that they can talk to our nuclear submarines and aircraft carriers.
No, I am not referring to “some mythical international law.” I was referring to our laws. You can’t deport a US Citizen. You might have a shot if you can charge a homeless person with treason or prove they are a foreign agent.
I also happen to agree with Newname for once. Do you think being homeless is a privilege? You are welcome to donate all of your assets to charity, live on the street, and enjoy the same "privilege." In some sense, this is the way Jesus indicated to get eternal life.
The vast majority of homeless people have an addiction or a mental illness, often both. You should look at it as a health condition. If your solution is to just ship everybody to El Salvador, why not do the same for cancer patients on Medicare: at the end of the day, curing cancer is extremely expensive and a much bigger drag to society, and most of them are going to die anyway, they may as well die in El Salvador.
Once you start to look at the problem as a health problem, the solution becomes a bit more clear, but it requires building infrastructure to provide some sort of housing and treatment facilities allowing for voluntary and involuntary treatment, depending on the conditions. Unfortunately, spending money on the homeless is political kryptonite, so we jail them, which, at the end of the day, is both very expensive and not very effective.
You people are insane. You think society shod just accept people pissing and pooping anywhere they want on public streets? Where do you go to the bathroom when you're out of your home all day on a weekend? Do you just sh1t on the street or do you find a public bathroom? This proves the OPs point that we let the homeless get away with anything and people like you actually enable this behavior.
And why do you act like addiction is some sort of unfortunate accident for the homeless? They choose to out deadly mind altering chemicals in their bodies and commit crimes to feed this habit. These are choices, not unfortunate circumstances. Why would we donate all of our money and choose to live amongst the homeless as you suggest? Most of us have worked hard and made good life decisions. Most of them have not worked hard and made horrible life decisions. This isn't chance or bad luck in most cases.they should be held accountable for the constant daily crimes they commit that negatively impact everyone else in their communities.
I’m sure a short stint in jail will fix their schizophrenia and make them productive members of society.
My suggestion is that people that are sympathetic to the plight of the homeless should put signs outside their homes letting the homeless know that they can use the bathroom or find temporary shelter in their homes when the weather is bad.
How many of you are in favor of this? For those not in favor (remembering that the sign is purely voluntary), can you say why?
Hello, Rea1 Obvi! When will your sign be going out?
Thanks In Advance!
Got it. If you don't want someone to take a dump on your couch, the next best solution is to send them to El Salvador. I have compassion fatigue and don't even like or care about homeless people, but if pressed, I wouldn't immediately opt for 3rd world prision.
Why can't these people just get jobs? Nobody will hire them? Wrong. Restaurants need help, will likely start as a dishwasher but you can work your way up. UPS will hire anybody. Work part time until you can become a driver, package car (home deliveries) or feeder (semi-trucks on the highway. Feeder starts right now at $38 an hour, takes four years to make top rate which is near $60 and climbing yearly. Package starts about $23 right now, top rate is $41 and climbing yearly. Change your life. Get out of that tent! Get job. Work hard. Get some money. Get some.
My guess is most are lazy and/or druggies. Would rather get some handouts, some scraps rather than get a job. You do you. Enjoy that tent. Enjoy not getting any. Enjoy the cold? That's why all homeless should head out to california, it's a paradise for homeless out there.
Well, it is like a drug induced light switch of self-awareness. The show Severance comes to mind.
You are right that when they are in zombie-mode, slumped over, half in the bike lane and crapping their pants, then yes, they are devoid of self-awareness.
But self-awareness is not a criteria for god-given and inalienable human rights as outlined in the Constitution. We still give people who are brain damaged, sleeping, in comas, or otherwise mentally incapacitated the same rights as other people.
The point is, just because they are "out of it" doesn't mean they give up their rights as citizens and human beings. Christian ethics doesn't hinge on "are they self-aware?" or "have they earned our kindness?"
p.s. The real question is why do we have so many mentally ill people (schizos) and drug addicts in our country? Why are our people "worse" than the people of other countries?
They aren't although we are doing our best to catch up.
Why can't these people just get jobs? Nobody will hire them?
My guess is most are lazy and/or druggies.
Most estimates indicate that 70-80% of homeless have a mental condition, and a good number may also have a previous conviction. Nobody would hire them. Yes, a good number are also "druggies", often as a result of trying to self-medicate the mental disorder.
And of course that completely justifies the lack of empathy shown on this thread.
I'm just sayin, as far as human history goes (and every other animal) we live in possibly the most empathetic culture ever, and the people here are probably more empathetic than any people you'd ever meet in history any where on earth. And on that note, your lack of boundaries isn't really empathy although you've convinced yourself it is. Your lack of boundaries isn't cool or hip, it doesn't make you cool with the kids, it doesn't make anyone like you, it doesn't put you on the "right side of history". Oh and it doesn't make you attractive. And it doesn't really help anyone.
I'm just sayin, as far as human history goes (and every other animal) we live in possibly the most empathetic culture ever, and the people here are probably more empathetic than any people you'd ever meet in history any where on earth. And on that note, your lack of boundaries isn't really empathy although you've convinced yourself it is. Your lack of boundaries isn't cool or hip, it doesn't make you cool with the kids, it doesn't make anyone like you, it doesn't put you on the "right side of history". Oh and it doesn't make you attractive. And it doesn't really help anyone.
Even for the drug addicts there's a simple cheap solution: pallet shelters on cheap rural land that is not conditional on quiting drugs. Problem is, it would crash rents if working folks take advantage of the change in zoning laws, and people are uncomfortable with allowing drug users to continue using drugs. Just let them, as long as they aren't harming others or damaging property and hurting businesses. If they are away from homes and children that's a good thing too.
Even for the drug addicts there's a simple cheap solution: pallet shelters on cheap rural land that is not conditional on quiting drugs. Problem is, it would crash rents if working folks take advantage of the change in zoning laws, and people are uncomfortable with allowing drug users to continue using drugs. Just let them, as long as they aren't harming others or damaging property and hurting businesses. If they are away from homes and children that's a good thing too.
California spends over $4 billion a year on homelessness.
That's over $21,000 per year per homeless person and somehow they've managed to make the problem worse.
USA the only country in the world where you can work full time and have to live in your car.
We are not talking about those homeless families. We are talking about the people living on the streets, in filthy tents, surrounded by piles of garbage who are completely cut-off from the norms of human behavior, hygiene, and our laws.
Fent + Meth + Mental Illness = a new kind of "homeless person" that we didn't have back in the olden days.
In this country we have two totally different kinds kinds of homelessness:
1) working families who can't find a place to live that is affordable near the places where they work. They could find an apartment in BFE but their job is in a city with no affordable housing (and so they are living in a van or car or on a friend's couch). This is a housing issue.
2) people who are mentally ill, engaged in criminal activity, and living like walking zombies in piles of garbage, drug needles, and human excrement. This is a drug, crime, mental health issue.
Liberals only talk about the first group and Conservatives only talk about the second group. That is why debates about this are so frustrating.
They should be delt with. Their families should be forced to deal with them. Otherwise they are either shipped off to a colony far away, or .... well.. there are options.
A friend from law school works for a public interest group that does work for tenants facing eviction. She sees a repeated pattern. People who are working and doing the best they can in the economy suffer some sort of set back. They get hurt or sick, have a family member who gets sick and needs help, they have substance abuse issues or get divorced and this results in them either having to quit their job or getting laid off (and some time they just get laid off for no fault of their own). These people have no family or friends to fall back on or they are so ashamed of their predicament that they don't tell anyone what is going on. They fall behind on rent and get a notice to vacate their premises. Most will just leave and not even make their landlord initiate an eviction proceeding. They end up living in their cars or jumping from friend to relative living on couches and spare beds. Eventually, they lose their cars or run out of people who are willing to put them up and end up on the street. By that time, their mental health has deteriorated to a point where they can no longer function in normal society. Homeless encampments offer these people the last chance at having some sort of community where someone may share food when they are hungry. And often times for people with substance abuse problems, it is the best place to be able to drink or do drugs. People who live in these encampments have fallen so far that getting them back into normal society is extremely difficult because they would rather live what seems to be a carefree life on the street than have to go through the economic grinder that put them there in the first place.
Back to evictions. A few communities have made headway with the homeless by putting in place very good housing intervention services. Whenever someone is evicted, they are immediately put in touch with housing advocate groups who are almost always able to move them immediately into another place so they are never in a position where they are on the street. As long as we commodify housing and make failure to pay rent an offense punishable by being denied shelter through legal process, we are going to have homelessness. And you can go very hard on vagrancy laws, public intoxication, urination, etc. and all you are doing is spending lots of money to take people off the streets for a short period of time. They always go right back. But if you make sure that anyone who faces eviction has the ability to transition seamlessly to another housing facility without ever having to be on the street, you would see homelessness all but disappear. You see this in countries with very low homelessness rates, mostly because they provide substantial housing subsidies to all and no one ever is in a position where they might lose housing. We should do that in the US, but absent an AOC lead sweep of progressive dems into office, local jurisdictions can do a lot more to ensure that people are never without housing.
Even for the drug addicts there's a simple cheap solution: pallet shelters on cheap rural land that is not conditional on quiting drugs. Problem is, it would crash rents if working folks take advantage of the change in zoning laws, and people are uncomfortable with allowing drug users to continue using drugs. Just let them, as long as they aren't harming others or damaging property and hurting businesses. If they are away from homes and children that's a good thing too.
This could work under one condition. Whenever these individuals OD, no taxpayer resources are used to save them. Maybe we'll lose them through attrition eventually.
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