You should be able to have luck in the portal. Thankfully you aren’t a javelin thrower, that is event is going to gutted as nobody wants an event that only competes in one season.
I thought I’d share my story. I’m getting cut… I am a female distance runner at a P5 college that is a mid tier school in our conference for xc and finishing towards the top for track.
I’m a regional qualifier and conference scorer in steeplechase. But, I don’t have xc eligibility for next year (just track).
I signed up for a masters degree because my school has been saying all along that they want me back for a 5th year. Except, just now they’ve told me I can’t come back next year. They said the reason was mainly roster limits and also international transfers for other events and the fact that I don’t have xc eligibility (and they want distance runners to do all three seasons). Even a walk on spot is not an option for me.
I’m nervous about going into the portal and was wondering if anyone would have insight. Will most coaches consider a grad transfer without xc eligibility? Is there any scholarship money left at this point? Are power 5s still recruiting?
I’m prefer to stay in D1 because of the resources (doesn’t necessarily have to be power 5). I’m not picky about location. A decent business program is a plus and I just generally want somewhere to get the most out of myself athletically in my last year of college running before I go work full time (I have a job lined up as long as my summer internship goes well).
Any advice is appreciated, especially if anyone is going through something similar!
Mid-major coach here- I’m actively emailing kids in portal offering full rides and revenue sharing up to $20,000. If you’re a regional qualifier there is big money for you. Might not be to run for Stanford, but the portal kids who are good get tons of contacts. Jump in the portal- reply to this thread with your university, and I’ll be the first to contact you.
Her money grubbing institution provided her with funds that allowed her to complete her bachelors degree. I'm sure there are plenty of good memories and positive people in the journey.
Moving on to grad school provides a healthy and normal place to take a break and make a move. In fact it's such a good idea that it's required by the Ivy league. Remember also she only has indoor and outdoor eligibility for track.
Good luck, pretty sure this will work out.
Not sure what your point is here. D3 allow you to compete there as a grad student (if you were D3 before) - MIT, Chicago, Hopkins, etc are all D3. And Stanford and Duke allow the same
Taking in a grad student is also less risky since you've seen how they perform and handle a college workload.
I just meant it's a logical place to transfer if you finish bachelors and then do a masters elsewhere. It's actually the routine for most non athlete regular students. Complete a milestone with graduation, then see a new city, meet new people, be stimulated by new school/campus. Also in many cases the undergrad school might not have the desired grad program.
Ivy schools do not let grad students compete in sports, so if you have extra eligibility and want to use it, you have to transfer.
If an athlete comes to me and says they want to transfer after completing a bachelors degree, I am not going to be angry with them. In fact I would support them in every way possible. They met their contract, athletic scholarship in exchange for undergrad degree.
Similarly, if coach cuts athlete after they graduate, I don't see that as being so terrible. Especially, if communication is good. Again both sided fulfilled the agreement. Student gets bachelors in exchange for running.
If it works out that a runner sticks around at a school for a masters, heh no problem. It just shouldn't be thek expectation, and it's not a horror story when there is a divorce at some point and grad school ends up elsewhere.
The OP was D1, so D3 irrelevant to discussion. Same principle still applies though. Nothing wrong with Carnegie Mellon BS, MIT Masters. Pretty normal.
I thought I’d share my story. I’m getting cut… I am a female distance runner at a P5 college that is a mid tier school in our conference for xc and finishing towards the top for track.
I’m a regional qualifier and conference scorer in steeplechase. But, I don’t have xc eligibility for next year (just track).
I signed up for a masters degree because my school has been saying all along that they want me back for a 5th year. Except, just now they’ve told me I can’t come back next year. They said the reason was mainly roster limits and also international transfers for other events and the fact that I don’t have xc eligibility (and they want distance runners to do all three seasons). Even a walk on spot is not an option for me.
I’m nervous about going into the portal and was wondering if anyone would have insight. Will most coaches consider a grad transfer without xc eligibility? Is there any scholarship money left at this point? Are power 5s still recruiting?
I’m prefer to stay in D1 because of the resources (doesn’t necessarily have to be power 5). I’m not picky about location. A decent business program is a plus and I just generally want somewhere to get the most out of myself athletically in my last year of college running before I go work full time (I have a job lined up as long as my summer internship goes well).
Any advice is appreciated, especially if anyone is going through something similar!
Mid-major coach here- I’m actively emailing kids in portal offering full rides and revenue sharing up to $20,000. If you’re a regional qualifier there is big money for you. Might not be to run for Stanford, but the portal kids who are good get tons of contacts. Jump in the portal- reply to this thread with your university, and I’ll be the first to contact you.
it is my understanding that the new "can't take your scholarship away" rules end at transfer and graduation. transfer is well duh. but "graduation" means they don't owe you a 5th year. maybe you have a piece of paper that says something different than the rules. but old rules is year to year which is what grad is under the new rules.
so unless you have some other sheet of paper, they are not on the hook, and the cost of your graduation education might have even been a factor in the decision.
in which case (a) you're cut for the sport and (b) the supposed financial incentives evaporate. unless you're just dyed in the wool school colors, move on.
i do not understand the rush to turn this ugly. it sounds like you are a senior and were basically happy until now. you are not being cut from the current TF team. finish out graduation and get any senior day type accolades your team gives. i don't see the point in crapping on your own 4 year legacy there, right at the end of the relationship, over them not carrying grad school too. or stomp fitting early towards the portal and getting kicked out of facilities to train. finish the year. use the benefits of being there. hit the portal after. see what you're offered.
do your research. if you think some schools make unusual sense for both graduate work and sports, you are allowed to go ahead and apply, get accepted, do basic financial aid. you just can't contact the coaches. when the portal hits, if you've lined up admissions, you can then sell the coach, i am interested in your team, i am admitted there already, would you want me to run there, and what can you offer. that would speed the process up a lot.
OP wouldn't be talking limits unless they are d1. the "take anyone" d3 schools will take you another year if they have a grad school. i seriously doubt "cut" d3s are cutting a grad runner.if you made it 4 years they aren't cutting you a 5th. if you're any good they're happy you're back. if you disappointed they are probably still loyal. they aren't giving anyone athletic money. they might have a roster limit but it's not dramatically changed.
downvote me all you want. this is senior year at the school you've done your career at. month or so left. you don't get to immediately enroll at New School and get the degree there instead. you are graduating from Old School like it or not. you have 4 years invested there and can treat it as a full arc. be slightly schizo and start applying other places, but finish up what you started. i see zero point in crapping on your undergrad relationships and legacy when i don't think you're allowed to contact until the portal even if you part ways.
i also do not think it sells you well to the next place to finish out as a malcontent. you want it where if they ask after you, "she's a great kid, just this darned limits thing."
i understand some of this transactional stomp fit stuff if they cut you loose as a frosh or soph. even then i would use the resources and finish out the season because that's your portfolio to present to the next coach and you want it nice as possible.
i dunno some of this crap sounds overly theoretical, like they cut their best runner to make roster limits or something. in that case, yeah, your current 1:47 would probably get you a scholarship in the portal. you could in theory stomp fit out the door. "i don't have to take this." but how many colleges do you think are cutting their best? i doubt many at all. they are cutting marginal. marginal need all the help they can get. you need improved times if you can get them in 4-6 weeks, and you need references that like you, if they vett you. a coach who grudgingly cut you for grad school will probably call around and help you find someplace, if you finish the year out and don't put him in a bind. not if you walk out now.
I just meant it's a logical place to transfer if you finish bachelors and then do a masters elsewhere. It's actually the routine for most non athlete regular students. Complete a milestone with graduation, then see a new city, meet new people, be stimulated by new school/campus. Also in many cases the undergrad school might not have the desired grad program.
Ivy schools do not let grad students compete in sports, so if you have extra eligibility and want to use it, you have to transfer.
If an athlete comes to me and says they want to transfer after completing a bachelors degree, I am not going to be angry with them. In fact I would support them in every way possible. They met their contract, athletic scholarship in exchange for undergrad degree.
Similarly, if coach cuts athlete after they graduate, I don't see that as being so terrible. Especially, if communication is good. Again both sided fulfilled the agreement. Student gets bachelors in exchange for running.
If it works out that a runner sticks around at a school for a masters, heh no problem. It just shouldn't be thek expectation, and it's not a horror story when there is a divorce at some point and grad school ends up elsewhere.
The OP was D1, so D3 irrelevant to discussion. Same principle still applies though. Nothing wrong with Carnegie Mellon BS, MIT Masters. Pretty normal.
I agree with your ideas, but I think in OP's case the issue WAS that the communication was bad. Her school saying she could come back, then saying she couldn't after she had a Master's lined up. OP also mentioned in a follow up post communication issues between coaches too.
Incorrect. She can be cut but the semester bill was paid 3 months ago.
OPs specific situation could be different as she is seeking a fifth year, but your school can take your scholarship as soon as you enter the portal. Also, schools generally do not pay the bill at the beginning of the semester. You (or your parents) pay it and then get reimbursed, so depending on when you enter the portal the current semester is not guaranteed either.
As a former DI scholarship athlete and coach I can tell you that you do not pay the bill and get reimbursed. The scholarship is applied and you pay the balance, if there is any. The problem is people like you who scare people by saying things you know nothing about.
Mid-major coach here- I’m actively emailing kids in portal offering full rides and revenue sharing up to $20,000. If you’re a regional qualifier there is big money for you. Might not be to run for Stanford, but the portal kids who are good get tons of contacts. Jump in the portal- reply to this thread with your university, and I’ll be the first to contact you.
Mid major offering $20k revenue sharing to track athletes, but just needs school listed on letsrun?
I thought I’d share my story. I’m getting cut… I am a female distance runner at a P5 college that is a mid tier school in our conference for xc and finishing towards the top for track.
I’m a regional qualifier and conference scorer in steeplechase. But, I don’t have xc eligibility for next year (just track).
I signed up for a masters degree because my school has been saying all along that they want me back for a 5th year. Except, just now they’ve told me I can’t come back next year. They said the reason was mainly roster limits and also international transfers for other events and the fact that I don’t have xc eligibility (and they want distance runners to do all three seasons). Even a walk on spot is not an option for me.
I’m nervous about going into the portal and was wondering if anyone would have insight. Will most coaches consider a grad transfer without xc eligibility? Is there any scholarship money left at this point? Are power 5s still recruiting?
I’m prefer to stay in D1 because of the resources (doesn’t necessarily have to be power 5). I’m not picky about location. A decent business program is a plus and I just generally want somewhere to get the most out of myself athletically in my last year of college running before I go work full time (I have a job lined up as long as my summer internship goes well).
Any advice is appreciated, especially if anyone is going through something similar!
tl;dr - got cut for not being good enough. Fun while it lasted tho!
As a coach, he/she has access to the portal. When she joins and alerts the thread which school she is at, it keeps her info private from LRC nerds, and the coach can see the new entries based on date entered and match the school. There he/she can keep the convo private without needing anyone to be mean to her on here
. . . i do not understand the rush to turn this ugly. it sounds like you are a senior and were basically happy until now. you are not being cut from the current TF team. finish out graduation and get any senior day type accolades your team gives. i don't see the point in crapping on your own 4 year legacy there, right at the end of the relationship, over them not carrying grad school too. or stomp fitting early towards the portal and getting kicked out of facilities to train. finish the year. use the benefits of being there. hit the portal after. see what you're offered.
I don't think anyone is rushing to turn this ugly. Certainly not the OP. I don't like the way the school is handling based on this comment: "I signed up for a masters degree because my school has been saying all along that they want me back for a 5th year. Except, just now they’ve told me I can’t come back next year. They said the reason was mainly roster limits and also international transfers for other events and the fact that I don’t have xc eligibility (and they want distance runners to do all three seasons). Even a walk on spot is not an option for me."
And now, apparently, they are making it difficult for her to enter the portal by threatening to take away NIL money that she gets to keep if she doesn't enter the portal (but she loses for entering the portal, even if she ends up staying). That's showing no regard for the best interest of the athlete, and it is unethical, IMO.
Here is another perspective.. Are you going for a masters degree because you need that degree for your career, or just so you can use your eligibility? If you don't NEED that degree for your career, then you may want to consider moving on.
As I got my bachelor degree, I had a full year of eligibility remaining, was just hitting my stride, and wasn't ready to give up the dream. I was graduating with a BBA from the top undergraduate business program in the country and had some pretty good job prospects (although I wasn't seriously looking). I convinced myself to go for a masters degree and took out loans to pay for it (I was a walking at a major D1 program).
Long story short, I ended up spending two years getting a masters degree that didn't increase my financial prospects. I learned a lot and enjoyed my time in grad school, but looking back, it definitely wasn't worth it just to use up my eligibility. I ended up getting hurt and not being able to run anyway.
If you want to continue running competitively, it may be better for you to get a job and find a club team. This way, you have more control over your training and racing schedule.
If you really need that degree and you can find a good program for study, then being able to run should be seen as a bonus, not the main goal. While not as convenient, you can still run outside of the college system.
If you did your undergrad at Penn/Wharton and couldn't find a useful Masters Degree that you were paying for, that's your own fault!
Sheesh, an MBA would have helped, learning a foreign language, almost anything with AI, programming/coding, security, cloud etc, sports marketing, statististics, applied math, and a really good one - applied math for finance/financial engineering. Non profit management, entrepreneurship, public policy, masters in teaching.
I could go on and on, most people would kill to have 2 years to add on a masters. Take responsibility for your bad choice.
The OP is also highly likely to get some financial help, so she is not in the same boat.