Rogin is absolutely a liberal. This is why Rogin said "I can't believe I'm saying this but I actually agree with Scott, everything he said is basically right."
Women for Trump ' wrote: Exactly. Putin wants to reclaim historically Russian territories that want to be a part of Russia anyway, and wants to prevent the existential threat of Ukraine joining NATO (which they were moving towards, breaking the promises of the 1990s that they'd never join NATO). He has no interest at all in other parts of Europe - just Ukraine.
Hitler had no interest at all in other parts of Europe - just the Sudetenland.
Serious question for you. Why do you support endless war? Why do you oppose peace?
As I've been saying, Ukraine will surrender land and then there will be peace.
Yeah. You’re serious. You lean into disingenuous half truths and garbage time and time. , And here you are, acting as though everyone on the other side from you loves war and hates peace.
How about a few things: they detest the notion of trampling on a nation’s sovereignty enough to be willing to put up with war (Are there hypocrites among them? Of course. There are hypocrites — and fools and knaves of all sorts and extent — on any side of any issue.)
You have a “solution”: Ukraine can cede land. Why can’t the solution be for Russia just to pull troops out and cease their prosecution of the war? That would also produce peace. Ukraine would not chase them onto Russian soil, nor would NATO support them in doing so. If you love, peace, so much and detest war so much, why aren’t you and your fellow supporters of the president urging him to lean hard into this solution in his discussions with Russia? He’s the master negotiator, so he can pull it off. Art of the deal.
How about this? Even without drying overheated historical comparisons, one might consider this war and proposals for peace in light of the concept of appeasement. There is a very different perspective from the. NATO countries that oppose the kind of “solution” you endorse: they believe that would create a pause in Russian aggression, not an end into it. And then it would be back to the drawing board looking for ways to throw more concessions at Putin in the name of peace.
I feel like I do not understand this issue well enough to have a strong opinion on it, but buying some time with Putin could actually work as there have been many rumors in the past couple years that his health is not good. Putin seems to be about the only person in the world in favor of the war and taking Ukraine, so I would assume if he is out of the picture, there won't be any more fighting. Of course it's difficult to say though.
Josh Rogin considers himself a neoliberalist -- a philosophy which supports conservative goals like privatization, government deregulation, and reducing government spending, and is blamed for increasing economic inequality and poverty, increasing the power of corporations and transferring wealth to the upper class, mass incarceration of the poor, globalization, environmental degradation, and weakening unions. Margaret Thatcher and Ronald Reagan implemented neoliberal policies.
Im not sure how Trump looking to end the war is the villian here. all of Europe and Ukraine seems to be content to just keep paying for an endless war. Why do we wanna keep paying for that? its non sensical. As far as I know, Trump is the only one speaking like that.
We get it, Putin violated about 20 ceasefire agreements and didnt keep his word on anything, but that still shouldn't stop you from trying to diplomatically end the war, which it seems no one else has an interest in doing.
To stop the endless war requires solving the problem at the source, and not treating one of the symptoms.
Since 1991's breakup of the Soviet Union, Russia has invaded and occupied Moldova, Chechnya, Georgia, Syria, and Ukraine. What makes you so sure that having Ukraine completely surrender, giving territory to Russia, while also giving mineral rights to the USA, without any permanent security guarantees, will stop the endless war?
Trump and Vance see themselves as great diplomats. They already met with Putin without Zelenskyy -- what was the result of their diplomacy? Neither Putin nor Zelenskyy seem to be on the same page as Trump/Vance. Putin doesn't seem to be in agreement with Trump's proposed mineral deal. If Trump and Vance were such great diplomats, they would have been able to manage Zelenskyy before going in front of the cameras.
Vance never answered the question. Given that Russia and Putin had already diplomatically agreed to ceasefires, and respect independence and sovereignty, what kind of diplomacy does Vance think Putin will comply with?
Let's try and put this in terms that nationalists can understand: Let's call Ukraine a sovereign nation, and let's call the foreign invaders "illegals". Why not let Ukraine round up all the illegals, and hold them in processing camps, and eventually send them back, bound in handcuffs and shackled in chains, to where they came from. If they come back illegally, Ukraine should imprison them. Maybe Trump/Vance can send Dr. Phil to oversee the deportations.
Here's another scenario. A man is regularly beating his wife. The man's new wannabe best friend comes over and tells the wife, in the name of peace, to just stop fighting back and stop poking the bear, and simply surrender, while asking for compensation for his intervention and protection. When she explains that the husband is responsible for breaking the peace, the best friend interrupts her and berates her for her unwillingness to achieve peace, and also for her ingratitude to his intervention by not thanking him. As a concerned citizen observing this, whose side are you on, and what is the best way to achieve permanent peace?
If Ukraine surrenders the land without security guarantees, Russia will only continue to grab more land, as it did after Trump's agreement was settled the first time. That is precisely what Zelensky saying when Trump and Vance decided to never let him speak again. A toothless treaty is no treaty at all. Appeasement never works. And peace under tyranny is no peace at all; it is constant fear of extrajudicial killing, torture, and imprisonment.
I'm not even American nor am I currently bases in the US, but I would say Trump is doing a good job right now. My reasons are twofold: first, he's bringing two nations to the negotiation table, so less innocent lives being taken (which is happening every day). Second, it forces the Europe to clean up the mess themselves instead of vowing to support with empty words while handing it to the US so in the long run we would be able to stand on our own. Tbh the US also has no obligation to help, when they also have their own problems. Zelenskyy is coming off as a petulant child with all his unreasonable demand, not a good look.
Trump clearly has a great vision. While he's condemned everywhere, I believe decades down the road he would be revered as one of the greatest presidents of all time in the modern era along with the likes of Reagan. Ngl I'm also jealous of the people living in the US right now. I wish we had such a strong leader for our country. :(
Josh Rogin considers himself a neoliberalist -- a philosophy which supports conservative goals like privatization, government deregulation, and reducing government spending, and is blamed for increasing economic inequality and poverty, increasing the power of corporations and transferring wealth to the upper class, mass incarceration of the poor, globalization, environmental degradation, and weakening unions. Margaret Thatcher and Ronald Reagan implemented neoliberal policies.
That is the opposite of what is meant by "lib" here.
I'm not even American nor am I currently bases in the US, but I would say Trump is doing a good job right now. My reasons are twofold: first, he's bringing two nations to the negotiation table, so less innocent lives being taken (which is happening every day). Second, it forces the Europe to clean up the mess themselves instead of vowing to support with empty words while handing it to the US so in the long run we would be able to stand on our own. Tbh the US also has no obligation to help, when they also have their own problems. Zelenskyy is coming off as a petulant child with all his unreasonable demand, not a good look.
Trump clearly has a great vision. While he's condemned everywhere, I believe decades down the road he would be revered as one of the greatest presidents of all time in the modern era along with the likes of Reagan. Ngl I'm also jealous of the people living in the US right now. I wish we had such a strong leader for our country. :(
It must have taken a while to translate that from your native Russian.