Drops 10 seconds off 1500m in less than a year. Wow.
Actually his 1500m pace for 800m would be impressive at that age.
This thread has become a discussion about certain kind of substances that senior athletes now avail themselves of. That is because feats like these raise that question. But the mods have tried to rule it out as a possibility. Unsuccessfully, as we see from the thread.
"You haven't heard of any older guys feeling that bad on TRT " . Let me guess, you're against dopers.
Definitely, if it's against the rules in a Masters competition then TRT/HRT users are doping (nothing new there. Lol).
My point on this post is there's a lot of TRT/HRT use with middle-aged & senior men - both with competitive & non-competitive guys. Prescriptions are skyrocketing - it's a multi-billion $ global enterprise.
I'm in the gym everyday pounding away at cardio & strength training. Due to my age (64) & injury history, I can't run anymore. I see & talk to a lot of guys on TRT/HRT. The ones that take it seriously training hard & eating healthy are getting tremendous results.
There's plenty of YT channels with middle-aged/senior men showing the benefits they received using TRT/HRT (some even compete in non-tested sporting events).
Go checkout 78 yr old Sly Stallone's workout videos on YT. He's on TRT/HRT & look at him - the muscularity, leanness, strength & cardio endurance! 😯 (I wouldn't doubt though that some of you youngsters will probably argue that he could be natural & that he has good genetics or something. 🤣).
You're not allowed to suggest these things here. It punctures dreams.
So what age group records do you have - since you've aged so well?
Seriously bro, you need to look into getting some professional help.
At least try and figure out why you so negative every single time you post anything. It is a bad look and you lose any sibilance of credibility when you are so dismissive.
I honestly feel bad for you and anyone who has to interact with you. It is just sad.
So what age group records do you have - since you've aged so well?
Seriously bro, you need to look into getting some professional help.
At least try and figure out why you so negative every single time you post anything. It is a bad look and you lose any sibilance of credibility when you are so dismissive.
I honestly feel bad for you and anyone who has to interact with you. It is just sad.
It is not too late to do better.
You're living in a world of your own - like quite a few fans. It is obvious even from some of the comments on this thread that aren't mine that the issue of doping can't be separated from any achievement in the sport today. It may be "negative" to you to point that out but that is the reality of the sport.
Age-graded equivalents are not accurate conversions in terms of what one could have run.
I understand there are equivalence tables but they are incorrect.
For example, if a 50 year male one day breaks 4 minutes; that does not mean he would have run 3:38 as a younger man.
Improved longevity and social conditions means masters runners are running times closer to elite than before. Notice the WR for normal age in middle distances are not moving much.
Maybe, maybe not. Lagat's conversion is close to his 1500 Best time.
Not about saying, that's what you could have run, simply showing the impressiveness of the performance is on par with xx:×× time.
I respectfully disagree. I think they are fairly accurate
It really shouldn't matter to you anyway as the %s apply equally in each age group.
You're right about the %s applying equally in each age group.
However the equivalent times are a mile off.
In the next 30 years we will see massive improvements with masters' times whereas the normal age group will only improve in a linear pattern.
Furthermore, expect womens' times to improve more than mens' across all age groups as a social correction occurs.
So what age group records do you have - since you've aged so well?
Seriously bro, you need to look into getting some professional help.
At least try and figure out why you so negative every single time you post anything. It is a bad look and you lose any sibilance of credibility when you are so dismissive.
I honestly feel bad for you and anyone who has to interact with you. It is just sad.
It is not too late to do better.
Armstronglivs comes across as a sad, bitter, envious former runner who can't fathom that the majority of masters athletes continue to be successful competitors who have the good fortune of some talent, durability and who put in years of hard work to achieve their results without banned drugs. As someone who has competed at a high level in masters distance running for a couple of decades and made my share of national championship podiums and year's fastest times (sorry, Mr. bitter complainer, no national records) I know there are a very small number of drug cheats, but the vast majority of us rely on persistence and consistency in training to get our results in our 60s, 70s and beyond. Armstronglivs contributes nothing but bitter, jealous caterwauling to these discussions of athletes performances.
Armstronglivs comes across as a sad, bitter, envious former runner who can't fathom that the majority of masters athletes continue to be successful competitors who have the good fortune of some talent, durability and who put in years of hard work to achieve their results without banned drugs. As someone who has competed at a high level in masters distance running for a couple of decades and made my share of national championship podiums and year's fastest times (sorry, Mr. bitter complainer, no national records) I know there are a very small number of drug cheats, but the vast majority of us rely on persistence and consistency in training to get our results in our 60s, 70s and beyond. Armstronglivs contributes nothing but bitter, jealous caterwauling to these discussions of athletes performances.
Indeed. When I was 60 I had a good run of form where I trained hard 10 days in a row, alternating biking and running. On day 10 I did my best ever time on the bike on a local hill climb. No TRT involved, my superior recovery was gained through carefully increased training load over several years.
Seriously bro, you need to look into getting some professional help.
At least try and figure out why you so negative every single time you post anything. It is a bad look and you lose any sibilance of credibility when you are so dismissive.
I honestly feel bad for you and anyone who has to interact with you. It is just sad.
It is not too late to do better.
Armstronglivs comes across as a sad, bitter, envious former runner who can't fathom that the majority of masters athletes continue to be successful competitors who have the good fortune of some talent, durability and who put in years of hard work to achieve their results without banned drugs. As someone who has competed at a high level in masters distance running for a couple of decades and made my share of national championship podiums and year's fastest times (sorry, Mr. bitter complainer, no national records) I know there are a very small number of drug cheats, but the vast majority of us rely on persistence and consistency in training to get our results in our 60s, 70s and beyond. Armstronglivs contributes nothing but bitter, jealous caterwauling to these discussions of athletes performances.
I agree with you completely.
I would instantly be a stack of Benjamins that every single person 60s and 70s on my team that I race with are squeaky clean. They eat right, train their behinds off, and most of all are blessed with serious genetic predispositions. Unless they are injured, I don't think there is one person in the 60s group who is not training five days a week and most if not all of us are easily logging 45-60 miles week in and week out.
My point with "Armstronglivs" was he just seems to be example of a very negative and unhappy person. I can't think of a single post of his that I have ever read that is not just depressing to read. He just baits people for no reason.
It doesn't have to be that way. None of us are getting out of this alive. And I sincerely hope he can turn it around before he leaves this Earth.
Seriously bro, you need to look into getting some professional help.
At least try and figure out why you so negative every single time you post anything. It is a bad look and you lose any sibilance of credibility when you are so dismissive.
I honestly feel bad for you and anyone who has to interact with you. It is just sad.
It is not too late to do better.
Armstronglivs comes across as a sad, bitter, envious former runner who can't fathom that the majority of masters athletes continue to be successful competitors who have the good fortune of some talent, durability and who put in years of hard work to achieve their results without banned drugs. As someone who has competed at a high level in masters distance running for a couple of decades and made my share of national championship podiums and year's fastest times (sorry, Mr. bitter complainer, no national records) I know there are a very small number of drug cheats, but the vast majority of us rely on persistence and consistency in training to get our results in our 60s, 70s and beyond. Armstronglivs contributes nothing but bitter, jealous caterwauling to these discussions of athletes performances.
How could you possibly know if there is a "very small number of drug cheats?" Do you go around & ask everyone "hey dude...are you using any TRT/HRT?" And what do you think a guy using TRT/HRT is going to say in response? "Yeah, I'm sure am using TRT...thanks for asking." Lol.
Keep in mind that guys using TRT/HRT are going to keep it they're own little secret (imagine that. Lol). Their only concern would be to circumvent any possible testing - if they're even tested at all. And they're are plenty of sites & YT channels that show glow times & clearance rates for various PEDs. With the internet, PED users have so much access to information that they didn't have 30 yrs ago.
Take Dehydroepiandrosterone (DHEA) - a hormone sold OTC as a dietary supplement in the U.S (it costs pennies & there are numerous brands on the market). DHEA, like testosterone, has been shown to decline with age.
One acute oral dose before a HIIT workout was shown in a study with middle-aged men to significantly increase free testosterone & prevent it from declining during high-intensity type training:
Then I found a study from 1998 (Bosy et al) that show a daily oral dose of DHEA taken for 30 days doesn't trip the 4:1 T/E ratio that's needed to test a sample for any HRT use. And I'm a 64 yr old moron with the internet & I could find this info. Lol.
So, let's use DHEA as an example. How could you possibly tell if another runner is using DHEA unless the bottle happens to fall out of his pocket or something? Lol
Seriously bro, you need to look into getting some professional help.
At least try and figure out why you so negative every single time you post anything. It is a bad look and you lose any sibilance of credibility when you are so dismissive.
I honestly feel bad for you and anyone who has to interact with you. It is just sad.
It is not too late to do better.
Armstronglivs comes across as a sad, bitter, envious former runner who can't fathom that the majority of masters athletes continue to be successful competitors who have the good fortune of some talent, durability and who put in years of hard work to achieve their results without banned drugs. As someone who has competed at a high level in masters distance running for a couple of decades and made my share of national championship podiums and year's fastest times (sorry, Mr. bitter complainer, no national records) I know there are a very small number of drug cheats, but the vast majority of us rely on persistence and consistency in training to get our results in our 60s, 70s and beyond. Armstronglivs contributes nothing but bitter, jealous caterwauling to these discussions of athletes performances.
You are only effectively disagreeing with me about the percentage of dopers.
Jealousy doesn't figure in my thinking; I haven't run seriously since high school. I have no interest in personal competition. What does matter is the extent that the sport - all sports - has been corrupted by doping. It is undeniable. This is a running site and every other thread raises the subject. If you don't want to see it you won't.
Armstronglivs comes across as a sad, bitter, envious former runner who can't fathom that the majority of masters athletes continue to be successful competitors who have the good fortune of some talent, durability and who put in years of hard work to achieve their results without banned drugs. As someone who has competed at a high level in masters distance running for a couple of decades and made my share of national championship podiums and year's fastest times (sorry, Mr. bitter complainer, no national records) I know there are a very small number of drug cheats, but the vast majority of us rely on persistence and consistency in training to get our results in our 60s, 70s and beyond. Armstronglivs contributes nothing but bitter, jealous caterwauling to these discussions of athletes performances.
Indeed. When I was 60 I had a good run of form where I trained hard 10 days in a row, alternating biking and running. On day 10 I did my best ever time on the bike on a local hill climb. No TRT involved, my superior recovery was gained through carefully increased training load over several years.
So were you running 4:20 or so for the 1500, or would that have required more than hard training?
Armstronglivs comes across as a sad, bitter, envious former runner who can't fathom that the majority of masters athletes continue to be successful competitors who have the good fortune of some talent, durability and who put in years of hard work to achieve their results without banned drugs. As someone who has competed at a high level in masters distance running for a couple of decades and made my share of national championship podiums and year's fastest times (sorry, Mr. bitter complainer, no national records) I know there are a very small number of drug cheats, but the vast majority of us rely on persistence and consistency in training to get our results in our 60s, 70s and beyond. Armstronglivs contributes nothing but bitter, jealous caterwauling to these discussions of athletes performances.
I agree with you completely.
I would instantly be a stack of Benjamins that every single person 60s and 70s on my team that I race with are squeaky clean. They eat right, train their behinds off, and most of all are blessed with serious genetic predispositions. Unless they are injured, I don't think there is one person in the 60s group who is not training five days a week and most if not all of us are easily logging 45-60 miles week in and week out.
My point with "Armstronglivs" was he just seems to be example of a very negative and unhappy person. I can't think of a single post of his that I have ever read that is not just depressing to read. He just baits people for no reason.
It doesn't have to be that way. None of us are getting out of this alive. And I sincerely hope he can turn it around before he leaves this Earth.
How many of your fellow masters athletes are running anywhere near what the subject of the thread has just done? If you aren't beating 4:30 you really aren't in the conversation.
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His life revolves around spamming this message board with his doping obsessions.
Obviously he's mentally ill.
The doping obsessions are of the athletes who are doping. Every second Kenyan athlete is being busted these days. You seem unaware that WADA groups running with cycling, weightlifting and body-building for risk of doping. Do you think those sports are clean?
His life revolves around spamming this message board with his doping obsessions.
Obviously he's mentally ill.
The doping obsessions are of the athletes who are doping. Every second Kenyan athlete is being busted these days. You seem unaware that WADA groups running with cycling, weightlifting and body-building for risk of doping. Do you think those sports are clean?
This thread went off topic a little.....
I wonder does anyone have information on his training, background etc?
The doping obsessions are of the athletes who are doping. Every second Kenyan athlete is being busted these days. You seem unaware that WADA groups running with cycling, weightlifting and body-building for risk of doping. Do you think those sports are clean?
This thread went off topic a little.....
I wonder does anyone have information on his training, background etc?
Fair question. But these days, training may not explain everything.