I also call BS to "better training and coaching". There's nothing guys are doing now that the elites weren't doing 20 years ago.
I contend this. The best of any era is about as good as the best of any other era. Guse = Coghlan. Jakob = ElG. Etc.
It's the tech that makes the top 100 of this era look as though they're superior to the top 20 of previous ones. The depth of amazing performances screams tech evolution.
Look no further than the NCAA qualifying lists - 3 sub 3:50, a sub 13, some 7:30s, Washington's stable of sub 4 guys, and on and on.
I refuse to believe it's just "better coaching" or "more information". That's so disrespectful and ignorant, frankly.
Or maybe everyone should be required to run in leather spikes with leather shoes on cinder tracks? I think know that you're the one who's being disrespectful and ignorant. Runners are better today, even accounting for the technology. Accept it and move forward. I think it's cool, perhaps you should too?
I think you the most ignorant of ‘‘em all, and you know what I feel like you are being intentionally and expediently ignorant if you know what I mean! You may be getting stupendous commission sums from more runner being better today don’t you? I see a financially viable rationale for you to dope ‘‘em all up or turn a blind eye to it.
I don't run anymore but just as a test I bought some carbon fiber shoe inserts ($45) that are full length and placed between shoe and shoe liner. These things are like 5mm thick so you barely notice them. But Stiff and Responsive. I walked around in them a few days for a couple hours at a time just to get used to them and was utterly amazed at how they absorb energy and spring back when you're walking. So, for the heck of it I jogged a couple 200s at like 8:00 pace and then 6:30 pace. Wow. I couldn't believe how these things helped. I can't imagine having had shoes with carbon fiber or super compressed foam to train or race in. Would've massively preserved my legs and probably allowed me to do extra volume without breaking down. I also have a friend who owns a running store who sent me a pair of the newer stacked foam shoes. Same thing. The first few jog steps I thought I was gonna pitch forward. Definitely made to get you up on toes/forefeet. I could walk a lap 5-6sec faster with same effort in them or with carbon fiber inserts. I know the effect might be less with running but I can see how athletes can do 25x400 rather than 20x400 in these newer shoes without extra work beating up legs. I know it's not all shoes but as someone who ran, cycled, and swam 19years I've never seen or trained in anything like them. I remember moving from a chromoly bike to a carbon fiber bike. Huge difference. I rode 1.5mph faster with same gearing and effort on that carbon fiber bike and it was only like a hundred grams lighter! So the tech is HUGE.
But as a biology major in college with several courses in human and animal physiology, and genetics, and molecular biology, etc. I think I have a theory for the new way to dope. Similar to synthetic EPO being damn near impossible to distinguish from natural EPO. You use CRSPR Gene Editing to tell cells in skeletal muscle to produce more mitochondria or myoglobin each time they undergo mitosis. You alter either DNA or just inject mRNA or tRNA with sequence that matches the athletes natural gene sequence for proteins comprising mitochondria and boom, the cells increase mitochondria density. Talk about aerobic efficiency and faster recovery! Something like this might be the next wave of "doping". It would be nearly impossible to test unless you regularly measured skeletal mitochondria density several times a year. Just a thought. Not accusing anyone of this but after women's marathon record a few months ago this idea seemed possible. How do you enhance without being able to get caught? You have to stimulate the body to make more of something that aids performance without an ingested or injected substance that can be traced...so you use gene editing or RNA tech to do it. It gets used up and discarded within hours. So this kind of "doping" would be as difficult to detect as EPO was thirty years back.
Not feasible Mother Nature rejects bio synthetic proteins and mRNA sequences. You saw what happened with the covid vaccines. Tons and animals and humans dead or degenerated from their former selves. Like a ghost of themselves. I think you would still have to dope the usual way but with smaller than micro doses, more frequently which will be undetectable, it has to go through the gut or blood. The body cannot be forced to manufacture it without reducing overall mental and physical stability of athlete and cause him to die. Another thing is use artificial masking agents which also carries risk of sabotage to the athletes health. The lesser the ingredients the better the outcome.
Better coaching, training, sharing of training information, AND being able to watch other elites/collegiates training/racing 24/7 online.
Every event, the knowledge is here online 24/7.
Are future 21XXers(and beyond) going to be digging through the crates and studying how we lived way back when?
This is patently false. Training has not evolved any if at all. All systems in society aim to zero in accordance with the zero sum balance. Any evolution in training is ultimately just redistributing QI energy in the body. It’s the same QI but now moved elsewhere and repositioned more efficiently. No matter how you redistribute energy in your body you still have the same total amount of QI given by God through the atmosphere, soil, air, food, water and same for each human being as we are all surrounded by same naturales elements.
Training is just a sidetrack akin to good looks in a hot girl but her heart is black with filth. Do I go for looks or heart?
I choose heart, I choose earth, I choose QI ( soul). I reject training.
I don't have any explanation for why, but top runners seem to take indoor a lot more seriously than they used to, on top of the shoes and bicarb improvements.
I'll keep saying it - there's more of them. Back in the day, most of the schools, especially on the west coast, didn't even run indoors. Know your history.
That partly false and partly right. Having great runners doesn’t need to be caused by social, parental pressure or other equipment factors. There are way more equally talented Kenyan and European athletes under Canova but none are running as fast or as well as the current crop of dirty American athletes. Sean McGorty and Stewart Mcsweyn are equally talented as Fisher and Hocker and Nuguse and were already running at their levels many years ago but look at where they are now? All decayed and running like 8 legged creatures. There cannot be anything Fisher and Hocker is training eating or drinking and Mcsweyn and Mcgorty aren’t doing too, except drugs.
Or maybe everyone should be required to run in leather spikes with leather shoes on cinder tracks? I think know that you're the one who's being disrespectful and ignorant. Runners are better today, even accounting for the technology. Accept it and move forward. I think it's cool, perhaps you should too?
The sport is always cool, Malmo. The performances and racing are superb. I'm clearly a fan - I watched. What I'm not on board with is the "maybe everyone is just better now" argument, which completely discards tech evolution.
Perhaps one day guys like Kennedy, Ritz, Todd Williams... and even Mark Nenow, Eyestone... Geb... Joe Falcon...
... will have their performances held in as much high regard as, say, Jesse Owen's are now. 10.36 doesn't get you to the state meet out of the Houston HS region some years. And yet it won a gold in Berlin in 1936. I don't hear fans say about Jesse... "maybe they're all just better now".
It's more the other way around. "Jesse ran 10.36 on effing cinders!". So perhaps we'll start hearing... "Bruh. Kennedy went sub 13 pre-Dragonflys". Or... "Coghlan ran 3:50 on a 180m plywood track! Isnt that crazy!"
It's the elitist disdain for the past that kills me.
Listen to our top rated moderator Malmo, he implores that the only fairness way to pursue this sport going forward is to all use leather shoes and soles and cinder tracks and keep all the nutrition and waveslights the same. Let’s see how the runners will fare. I like to think Fisher will sprain his ankle after running just 1 lap at 59-60s. Hocker will trip over a pothole and smash his face into the dirt.
On the other hand, puritans like Paul Tanui and Ismail Kirui will be gliding over the dirt like the call of Mother Naturales.
Not just shoes, but they did say this was a brand new surface on that track. Tore off 4 previous layers and got back to the good hard substrate under the new surface. Voila...fast track.
If runners are just better today, why is the mile WR 26 years old?
Good question that Malmo failed to fantasize about. He is under the illusion that’s it’s due to training, coaching and higher population numbers but the explosion of East African births didn’t threaten anywhere close to El G’s 2 famous WRs that some pundits on this board believe will last an eternity.
The indoor records are also extremely soft if I may add. Anytime a true blue American breaks it, even while dirty, it’s always soft. Let’s see if all these dirty Americans break 3:26:00 first. That’s the only real one to break.
El G didn’t take indoors seriously that much. Back then indoors was seen like a bench warmer due to frigid temperatures and restless legs. They made indoors to earn some pocket money and advertisements.
Nuguse took 3 tries to break it and even then with drugs so that tells you a lot about how untalented this prick is.
If runners are just better today, why is the mile WR 26 years old?
Good question that Malmo failed to fantasize about. He is under the illusion that’s it’s due to training, coaching and higher population numbers but the explosion of East African births didn’t threaten anywhere close to El G’s 2 famous WRs that some pundits on this board believe will last an eternity.
The indoor records are also extremely soft if I may add. Anytime a true blue American breaks it, even while dirty, it’s always soft. Let’s see if all these dirty Americans break 3:26:00 first. That’s the only real one to break.
El G didn’t take indoors seriously that much. Back then indoors was seen like a bench warmer due to frigid temperatures and restless legs. They made indoors to earn some pocket money and advertisements.
Nuguse took 3 tries to break it and even then with drugs so that tells you a lot about how untalented this prick is.
When I came onto this website earlier I was led to a landing page with the strident billboard words
‘WOW Fisher and Nuguse are WR holders.’
And I was thinking to myself something’s up as since when and every so often does the staff of LRC act in such a weirdly sycophantic manner towards American athletes who have had success and in such a way that seems to suggest that they saw that success coming a 100% with no ambiguous odds.
So 2 things seems to suggest LRC staff has foreknowledge of that success and in a way that unduly and unethically brings them corrupt benefits:
1. Melodramatic and theatrical celebration of American athletes success that doesn’t fit with normal social norms and reality
2. Sycophantic dedication to these athletes in the choice of words and vocabulary towards their appraisal, like it’s an overwhelming circle jerking echo chamber. Not one critique and if there were then try not to be too serious about it and downplay it.
My Conclusion:
LRC staff ( not sure who or what) or LRC supporters and regular club members have the inside scoop on who is bang on odds to succeed because they know who is juiced up before hand.
I saw the same pattern play out on LRC 1-2 days before Connor Mantz AR in the HM. Posts start streaming in foretelling way too sycophantically “ area record going down in Houston tomorrow “ before really going down the very next day.
Somethings way too fishy that’s not random and not up to chance. Someone is writing a fiction story and trying to sell it to the whole world on LRC.
Im definitely not buying such infidelity. No thanks. You can keep it Hoe.
I don’t know what’s going on but I’ve had my misgivings about the way LRC staff market or publicise American athletes success on LRC. So much that I’ve been convinced beyond any reasonable doubt that there may be a ring of collusion between LRC staff or supporters club members with doping cartels and coaches/athletes/organisations to push and sell/market the sport aggressively for the benefit of the pockets of all who partake in it. Win-win in short and why not if the drugs can be made undetectable to boot? LRC staff and club members can be seen outwardly as professing clean sport but behind closed doors peddle corruption?
Ive done marketing and advertising before and behind every ad lies an ulterior and not-so-clean motive. Since this is sports, the not-so-clean motive must contain elements of drugs and doping.
If runners are just better today, why is the mile WR 26 years old?
Good question that Malmo failed to fantasize about. He is under the illusion that’s it’s due to training, coaching and higher population numbers but the explosion of East African births didn’t threaten anywhere close to El G’s 2 famous WRs that some pundits on this board believe will last an eternity.
The indoor records are also extremely soft if I may add. Anytime a true blue American breaks it, even while dirty, it’s always soft. Let’s see if all these dirty Americans break 3:26:00 first. That’s the only real one to break.
El G didn’t take indoors seriously that much. Back then indoors was seen like a bench warmer due to frigid temperatures and restless legs. They made indoors to earn some pocket money and advertisements.
Nuguse took 3 tries to break it and even then with drugs so that tells you a lot about how untalented this prick is.
3:46 on drugs isn’t even scratching the surface. Do remember the clean professor Josh Kerr annexing the field and dismembering Kessler with a jog like 3:44 at the fifth avenue mile with less than perfect conditions like on an indoor track? The air doesn’t move in an indoor arena but Josh must be feeling blustery in his race. Kerr with that form would be running 3:42 for indoors right now. Don’t be too upset with 3:46, it’s not fast even for drugs.
Someone really overdosed on caffeine this morning. “Bungholio! Yeah. Yeah. Bungholio!”
mitochondrial morality… closed loop system …earth-universe engine… much better doping …Mantz is now dirty … stupendous commission sums … smaller than micro doses …artificial masking agents … the same QI energy but now moved elsewhere and repositioned more efficiently…. I choose heart, I choose earth, I choose QI ( soul). I reject training. … current crop of dirty American athletes … indoor records are extremely soft … Nuguse is an untalented prick… Too good to be true is all about doping … weirdly sycophantic manner … unduly and unethically brings them corrupt benefits … overwhelming circle jerking echo chamber … they know who is juiced up before hand … Connor Mantz AR in the HM. Posts start streaming in foretelling way too sycophantically ….fiction story and trying to sell it to the whole world on LRC…. LRC staff market or publicise American athletes success on LRC … a ring of collusion between LRC staff or supporters club members with doping cartels … 3:46 on drugs isn’t even scratching the surface …3:46, it’s not fast even for drugs….
Or maybe everyone should be required to run in leather spikes with leather shoes on cinder tracks? I think know that you're the one who's being disrespectful and ignorant. Runners are better today, even accounting for the technology. Accept it and move forward. I think it's cool, perhaps you should too?
The sport is always cool, Malmo. The performances and racing are superb. I'm clearly a fan - I watched. What I'm not on board with is the "maybe everyone is just better now" argument, which completely discards tech evolution.
Perhaps one day guys like Kennedy, Ritz, Todd Williams... and even Mark Nenow, Eyestone... Geb... Joe Falcon...
... will have their performances held in as much high regard as, say, Jesse Owen's are now. 10.36 doesn't get you to the state meet out of the Houston HS region some years. And yet it won a gold in Berlin in 1936. I don't hear fans say about Jesse... "maybe they're all just better now".
It's more the other way around. "Jesse ran 10.36 on effing cinders!". So perhaps we'll start hearing... "Bruh. Kennedy went sub 13 pre-Dragonflys". Or... "Coghlan ran 3:50 on a 180m plywood track! Isnt that crazy!"
It's the elitist disdain for the past that kills me.
Exactly, mate. Tech evolution is cyclical, and it’s always the generation that benefits most from it that defends it to the last key stroke. But what goes around comes around—20 years from now, when we see 25 guys breaking 7:10 for 3K, today’s generation will be the ones moaning about the tech those future athletes have and how it shouldn’t be compared to their era. And so, the cycle continues. I say this as a 2021 graduate who saw the direct evolution of super shoes unfold during my college years. There’s no doubt they help—but that doesn’t take anything away from today’s athletes. They’re still working incredibly hard and are insanely talented. It’s the combination of cutting-edge tech and elite runners that’s pushing times faster and deeper than ever.
One day, those denying this reality—mostly the current athletes benefiting from today’s shoes—will likely find themselves frustrated by whatever advancements come next. And honestly, I find the whole thing pretty funny.
Cross country on grass sort of removes the tech. Notice how the high school champs times at Balboa Park haven’t changed nearly as much as track times. Winning NCAA cross country times haven’t changed much since the 70’s.
So either today’s runners are really bad at cross country relative to their track times or track tech is causing disproportionately fast track times.
eventually someone will take the indoor super track design and apply it to outdoors to get a race with the absolute perfect conditions for the fastest times
Someone really overdosed on caffeine this morning. “Bungholio! Yeah. Yeah. Bungholio!”
mitochondrial morality… closed loop system …earth-universe engine… much better doping …Mantz is now dirty … stupendous commission sums … smaller than micro doses …artificial masking agents … the same QI energy but now moved elsewhere and repositioned more efficiently…. I choose heart, I choose earth, I choose QI ( soul). I reject training. … current crop of dirty American athletes … indoor records are extremely soft … Nuguse is an untalented prick… Too good to be true is all about doping … weirdly sycophantic manner … unduly and unethically brings them corrupt benefits … overwhelming circle jerking echo chamber … they know who is juiced up before hand … Connor Mantz AR in the HM. Posts start streaming in foretelling way too sycophantically ….fiction story and trying to sell it to the whole world on LRC…. LRC staff market or publicise American athletes success on LRC … a ring of collusion between LRC staff or supporters club members with doping cartels … 3:46 on drugs isn’t even scratching the surface …3:46, it’s not fast even for drugs….
“Bungholio! Yeah. Yeah. Bungholio!”
He nailed it perfectly. America AD has some explanation to do at the pulpit in Geneva Switzerland. The most untalented crop of American athletes running WRs at will? Gimme a break
Shoe tech, track tech, drug tech have moved forward and we see that in the results.
We are in a golden age of track (especially mid distance). The last golden age we had was in the EL G era of late 90s early 2000s before the EPO test was created.
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The sport is always cool, Malmo. The performances and racing are superb. I'm clearly a fan - I watched. What I'm not on board with is the "maybe everyone is just better now" argument, which completely discards tech evolution.
Perhaps one day guys like Kennedy, Ritz, Todd Williams... and even Mark Nenow, Eyestone... Geb... Joe Falcon...
... will have their performances held in as much high regard as, say, Jesse Owen's are now. 10.36 doesn't get you to the state meet out of the Houston HS region some years. And yet it won a gold in Berlin in 1936. I don't hear fans say about Jesse... "maybe they're all just better now".
It's more the other way around. "Jesse ran 10.36 on effing cinders!". So perhaps we'll start hearing... "Bruh. Kennedy went sub 13 pre-Dragonflys". Or... "Coghlan ran 3:50 on a 180m plywood track! Isnt that crazy!"
It's the elitist disdain for the past that kills me.
Exactly, mate. Tech evolution is cyclical, and it’s always the generation that benefits most from it that defends it to the last key stroke. But what goes around comes around—20 years from now, when we see 25 guys breaking 7:10 for 3K, today’s generation will be the ones moaning about the tech those future athletes have and how it shouldn’t be compared to their era. And so, the cycle continues. I say this as a 2021 graduate who saw the direct evolution of super shoes unfold during my college years. There’s no doubt they help—but that doesn’t take anything away from today’s athletes. They’re still working incredibly hard and are insanely talented. It’s the combination of cutting-edge tech and elite runners that’s pushing times faster and deeper than ever.
One day, those denying this reality—mostly the current athletes benefiting from today’s shoes—will likely find themselves frustrated by whatever advancements come next. And honestly, I find the whole thing pretty funny.
Why don’t you just say that in 3031 10 guys will be running at the speed of light because tech companies found a way to place a quantum teleporting chip into their vests to make them dodge the spatial-temporal effects of mass-energy so that it only takes one billionth of a second to run a 3k?
Oh now I remember you don’t think there is a problem with being a transgender person.