Very much looking forward to finding out who will be pacing as well as who will be Shelby's competitors. Does she manage to convince Cranny or Schweizer to come out to Fayetteville for a rust buster before their Millrose races?
Update: Cranny racing the mile at BU this weekend.
With Jonathan presumably covering the BU meet Friday & Saturday then the NBIGP Sunday, will either of you -- or a stringer -- be in Fayetteville Saturday for likely the most newsworthy race of the US indoor season?
Will someone please go watch the She'll be Hooligan interview on Dystat and report back with the CliffNotes?
Please & Thank You!
Courtesy NotebookLM, errors Google's:
Briefing Document: Shelby Houlihan Podcast Interview Introduction: This document analyzes a recent podcast interview with professional distance runner Shelby Houlihan, who is returning to competition after serving a four-year ban for a positive doping test. The interview covers her experience with the ban, her feelings about the anti-doping process, her mental health journey, and her future goals.
Key Themes and Ideas:
The Devastating Impact of the Ban:
Identity Loss: Houlihan emphasizes that running was central to her identity since the age of five. The ban forced her to confront who she was "without this," leading to significant emotional challenges. "I've been running since I was five, this is who I am... all of my identity was wrapped up in it."
Emotional Toll: She describes the experience as the "hardest four years of my life." The initial shock and disbelief quickly turned to a sense of injustice and isolation. She felt that she was viewed as a "liar cheater" without any genuine consideration for her explanation of events. "It wasn't it didn't feel fair, it didn't feel just."
"Death Penalty" for Athletes: Houlihan considers a four-year ban as a "death penalty" for an athlete because it prohibits her from training with others and competing professionally.
The "BurritoGate" Incident & Process Frustrations:
The Positive Test: Houlihan describes her "worst fear" coming true when she received the news of a positive test. Her initial reaction was disbelief and a conviction that there must have been a mistake or contamination. "Like literally like my worst fear or you know like happened and it kind of like felt like is this real… this can’t be happening right now."
Lack of Faith in the System: She expresses feeling "naive" for initially trusting the anti-doping process. Her experience left her feeling as though the system was designed to "ban me" rather than seek the truth, finding the process "not fair". "It just wasn't at all what I thought it was and it didn't feel fair. It felt like they really just like wanted to ban me."
Inability to Explain the Source: Houlihan was unable to identify how the banned substance entered her system, contributing to her frustration. The fact that the testing process required her to find an explanation in one week and, when an extension was granted, for only 3 additional days, felt unreasonable.
Mental Health and Coping Mechanisms:
Prioritizing Mental Health: The last four years were spent taking care of herself and getting to a "mentally like healthier place." This involved therapy and a focus on what she could control. "I kind of just spent the last four years really like taking care of myself and trying to get myself to a a mentally like healthier place."
Chunking it Down: She adopted a strategy of taking things "one thing at a time," to make the situation more manageable. She learned that diving into the big picture was "so dark and overwhelming" and therefore focused on what she could control in the present.
Finding New Activities: Houlihan pursued other activities such as traveling, spending time with family, going back to school for a master’s degree, and trying new adventures to stay busy and move forward. She also did DoorDash and instacart to pay the bills, showing her determination to make a living when she could not run.
Return to Running and Future Outlook:
Stubbornness and Determination: She describes a "stubbornness" that fueled her decision not to let the ban define the end of her career. She decided she would not let anyone decide her life trajectory and will continue to run because she still loves it.
Unfinished Business: Houlihan feels she still has "a lot of potential and ability left to prove." This belief is a primary motivation for her return to the sport.
Accepting the Unknown: While acknowledging uncertainty about her performance level post-ban, she is committed to "at least try[ing]" to return to competitive form, wanting to know what would happen if she came back instead of always wondering "what if."
Focus on Her Own Goals: She is focused on seeing what she can do at 32 and beyond and is using the phrase “I’m going to try” to move forward, showing a clear intent to attempt to compete at an elite level once again.
Initial Return to Competition: Her first competition back is scheduled for February 1st at the Arkansas Invitational, a "lowkey" meet intended as a "rust buster" to get back into competing and qualify for US Indoor Championships. She states that she is going into the meet with "no expectations."
Views on Anti-Doping and Athlete Accountability:
Support for Clean Sport: While she supports anti-doping efforts, she criticizes the current testing procedures. Her point of view is that they’re too sensitive, fail to take into account potential contamination, and don't offer sufficient protections for clean athletes.
Athlete vs. Organization Accountability: Houlihan believes there needs to be more accountability on "both sides" in the anti-doping system, particularly in cases with lower levels of substances that could be due to contamination. She argues that the entire burden should not be on the athlete when the process is fallible. "I think there should be more accountability on both sides."
System Flaws: She states that they (organizations) are not "protecting clean athletes" and that they are "not holding themselves to the same standard that they are holding athletes to." She says that the banning process is "horrible" and that they need to do their "due diligence" and make sure they’re getting the decision right.
Skepticism and a Plea for Research: She says "don't blindly trust anything" and states, when referring to organizations like anti-doping, it’s easy to assume that “organizations are doing it the right way,” but as we’ve seen, that’s not always the case. Her point is to not distrust the athlete but also not blindly trust the organization. She emphasizes that people should "do their research."
Proposed Solutions: She suggests that anti-doping organizations or governing bodies, like USATF, should create their own line of tested, trusted supplements to alleviate the burden on athletes.
Dealing with Public Perception:
Frustration with Comparisons: Houlihan is infuriated by being compared to athletes who have knowingly cheated. She expresses "hatred" for the association, feeling it is unfair, since she is clear that she did not cheat. "I get so mad when I like I know that I'm now compared to people that did cheat and like I'm like lumped in with them and that like absolutely infuriates me."
Desire to be Understood: She is open to conversations with those who are open-minded and willing to ask questions, although she also admits that there is likely nothing she could say to change the minds of those who are close-minded. "I'm so down to have a conversation and try to answer questions." She states, "I wish I could show you the truth," and that "I want the truth more than anyone in the world" but that she "wasn’t able to figure out" the truth.
Trust is Earned: She doesn't expect "blind trust," and if people do trust her, she appreciates it. She also said that at the end of the day, "you just have to hopefully trust me or not trust me."
Focus on Self and Character: She aims to conduct herself in a way she is proud of and hopes that people will judge her based on her character and her actions. Regrets and Lessons Learned:
Telling Teammates Sooner: Houlihan expresses regret for not informing her teammates about the positive test earlier in the process, acknowledging that it caused undue stress when they found out right before the Olympic trials. "I feel horrible that they didn't know sooner and that's like when they had to they found out with like along with the public right like and that sucked."
Transparency: She also regrets not being more transparent about the entire process and perhaps making it more public to gain support. She wonders if she should have done that. Skipping the First Trial: She wonders if she should have been more patient and not skipped the first trial with AIU, as it may have had a different outcome. "Part of me wonders if we would have been more patient like would it have changed anything."
Personal Growth: Despite the negative experience, she feels she has grown into a "more well-rounded human being" through this process, but states she wishes it hadn't taken this to happen.
Dealing with Isolation & Building Friendships:
Exile: She states that it is “extremely lonely” to be “exiled” from a sport that was her entire life. She is grateful to family and friends who "kept [her] going" throughout the four years. Pulling Away: Houlihan admits that she "pulled away" to avoid making others feel uncomfortable. In hindsight, she believes that decision made her feel "more isolated."
Stronger Friendships: Houlihan states that through the whole process, her relationships with friends "are even stronger than they were before." She feels that she has grown "a ton" and has become a better friend.
The Phoenix Tattoo
Rebirth: She explains her new phoenix tattoo is meaningful because it represents her feeling that a part of her "died" when she was banned from the sport and she had to "start over" and build herself up. The phoenix represents her being "reborn" into a well-rounded human who has grown from the experience.
Harry Potter: She acknowledges that she is a huge fan of Harry Potter and uses the quote "what's coming will come and we'll meet it when it does" to focus on not getting ahead of herself. She states that she has used that quote throughout the last four years to stay grounded.
Conclusion:
Shelby Houlihan's interview provides a detailed look into the personal and professional impact of her doping ban. It highlights the complex and often challenging aspects of the anti-doping process, the importance of mental health support for athletes, and the power of resilience in the face of adversity. Her return to competition is not only a personal goal, but an attempt to reclaim her career on her own terms, all while navigating the often-harsh public perception that still clings to her.
Briefing Document: Shelby Houlihan Podcast Interview Introduction: This document analyzes a recent podcast interview with professional distance runner Shelby Houlihan, who is returning to competition after serving a four-year ban for a positive doping test. The interview covers her experience with the ban, her feelings about the anti-doping process, her mental health journey, and her future goals.
Key Themes and Ideas:
Return to Running and Future Outlook:
Proposed Solutions: She suggests that anti-doping organizations or governing bodies, like USATF, should create their own line of tested, trusted supplements to alleviate the burden on athletes.
Regarding supplements, Shelby admitted that not only did she stop taking all supplements, but also replaced birth control pills with a copper IUD.
Interviewer Gray didn't pull any punches, repeatedly mentioning she did test positive which can never be erased from her record. Shelby's responses were summaries of everything she has stated in her IG posts and interviews over the past 3 1/2 years, mentioning several times "I did not cheat" and expressing her disdain for those that have, including athletes in other sport like baseball which Gray brought up.
Thus, no Big Reveal or shocking revelation.
Except for Shelby's explanation that she's kept her expenses down by not owning or renting, instead camping out as well as relying on family & friends to put her up for the night.
And the IUD comment. That woke me up.
Unfortunately, Gray did not ask Shelby about recent training for her Feb 1st opener, so we only have her IG posts to go on re: fitness. Which looks damn good as of 5 days out.
This reminds of when Muhammad Ali was convicted of draft evasion, sentenced to five years in prison, fined $10,000 and banned from boxing for three years.
Like Ali, the excitement in the air is palpable for Shelby's return after her suspect ban that wreaks of injustice.
I have genuinely considered her explanation - and find it ridiculous, a joke for the ages.
Testing now too sensitive? A lot smaller concentrations than hers were already detectable in the 90s.
Contamination not considered? It was considered and rejected. Her lawyer had a 14:0 record before her lost case...
Not enough transparency from her side? Haha. Her choice, back then and now. She could start now, reveal her testing history including ABP values and missed tests, and tell us where the nandrolone really came from. She seemed to withdraw the 🌯 story when complaining she only had a few weeks to identify the source...
Briefing Document: Shelby Houlihan Podcast Interview Introduction: This document analyzes a recent podcast interview with professional distance runner Shelby Houlihan, who is returning to competition after serving a four-year ban for a positive doping test. The interview covers her experience with the ban, her feelings about the anti-doping process, her mental health journey, and her future goals.
Key Themes and Ideas:
Return to Running and Future Outlook:
Proposed Solutions: She suggests that anti-doping organizations or governing bodies, like USATF, should create their own line of tested, trusted supplements to alleviate the burden on athletes.
Regarding supplements, Shelby admitted that not only did she stop taking all supplements, but also replaced birth control pills with a copper IUD.
Interviewer Gray didn't pull any punches, repeatedly mentioning she did test positive which can never be erased from her record. Shelby's responses were summaries of everything she has stated in her IG posts and interviews over the past 3 1/2 years, mentioning several times "I did not cheat" and expressing her disdain for those that have, including athletes in other sport like baseball which Gray brought up.
Thus, no Big Reveal or shocking revelation.
Except for Shelby's explanation that she's kept her expenses down by not owning or renting, instead camping out as well as relying on family & friends to put her up for the night.
And the IUD comment. That woke me up.
Unfortunately, Gray did not ask Shelby about recent training for her Feb 1st opener, so we only have her IG posts to go on re: fitness. Which looks damn good as of 5 days out.
There was one important piece of information that I had never seen revealed before. Probably nothing, but I’ll wait to see if someone from their team gets back to me.
I thought it was a good interview and it sounds like she might be open to a Letsrun interview, but I don’t know what else she could say.
Lol Twoggle - will you now stop defending the 🌯 theory?
Shelby has dropped so many hints that it wasn't in there... plus CAS + Tucker + Tygart...
Not sure what you’re talking about. CAS, Tucker or Tygart has nothing to do with what I was hinting at. Also, I very happy that Tygart and Tucker have their own opinions about things.
Didn't you just call it an important info that she stopped taking pills?
Why would that matter if the nandrolone was in the 🌯?
Sorry I wasn’t clear. There was one important piece of information revealed during the interview. I didn’t specify what it was because even though it is new (to me) it was almost certainly considered and rejected by their scientific team. I emailed them just in case.
I have never claimed that in this case the nandrolone was definately in the offal of a burrito. I do really like the little burrito icon in your reply, though.
It's so irritating that she keeps lying about things that are easy to disprove
like someone said she keeps saying the tests are sensitive but her amounts were enough for any test to catch.
she also tries to make herself the martyr saying she pulled away from BTC when in reality that only happened after GDS spoke out. Shelby hovered over BTC for years, and a lot of people took notice.
It's so irritating that she keeps lying about things that are easy to disprove
like someone said she keeps saying the tests are sensitive but her amounts were enough for any test to catch.
she also tries to make herself the martyr saying she pulled away from BTC when in reality that only happened after GDS spoke out. Shelby hovered over BTC for years, and a lot of people took notice.
True. I also wonders why none of her interviewers ever points out her little, ummm, inconsistencies. Are they all poorly informed, or blind fans, or do they remain nice and quiet to stay on the good side of BTC and Nike?
This here is particularly interesting:
"Inability to Explain the Source: Houlihan was unable to identify how the banned substance entered her system, contributing to her frustration. The fact that the testing process required her to find an explanation in one week and, when an extension was granted, for only 3 additional days, felt unreasonable."
10 days were not enough? Does that mean she officially discards the burrito theory? After all, she wrote this already on day 2 (January 15, 2021):
"-We think the burrito consumed the night before the test is the potential source."
and, more determined on January 20, 2021 (on day 7):
"we believe the source of nandrolone was from pig offal"
And of course, all the way throughout the CAS proceedings and the following PR, they pretended it was in the burrito. That doesn't quite match "Houlihan was unable to identify how the banned substance entered her system"!
Too bad there wasn't a follow-up question.
Finally, "fail to take into account potential contamination"??? Outrageously false statement but sure, who'd expect honesty from a doper. But then again, where is the follow-up question?
I would love to see Shelby run something very quick in the opener. Also, would love her to get back on the juice so we can potentially see a Womens 1500/5000 medal at a world meet.
I would love to see Shelby run something very quick in the opener. Also, would love her to get back on the juice so we can potentially see a Womens 1500/5000 medal at a world meet.
A cheater winning a medal is worse than not even qualifying for the race.
Will someone please go watch the She'll be Hooligan interview on Dystat and report back with the CliffNotes?
Please & Thank You!
Courtesy NotebookLM, errors Google's:
Briefing Document: Shelby Houlihan Podcast Interview Introduction: This document analyzes a recent podcast interview with professional distance runner Shelby Houlihan, who is returning to competition after serving a four-year ban for a positive doping test. The interview covers her experience with the ban, her feelings about the anti-doping process, her mental health journey, and her future goals.
Key Themes and Ideas:
The Devastating Impact of the Ban:
Identity Loss: Houlihan emphasizes that running was central to her identity since the age of five. The ban forced her to confront who she was "without this," leading to significant emotional challenges. "I've been running since I was five, this is who I am... all of my identity was wrapped up in it."
Emotional Toll: She describes the experience as the "hardest four years of my life." The initial shock and disbelief quickly turned to a sense of injustice and isolation. She felt that she was viewed as a "liar cheater" without any genuine consideration for her explanation of events. "It wasn't it didn't feel fair, it didn't feel just."
"Death Penalty" for Athletes: Houlihan considers a four-year ban as a "death penalty" for an athlete because it prohibits her from training with others and competing professionally.
The "BurritoGate" Incident & Process Frustrations:
The Positive Test: Houlihan describes her "worst fear" coming true when she received the news of a positive test. Her initial reaction was disbelief and a conviction that there must have been a mistake or contamination. "Like literally like my worst fear or you know like happened and it kind of like felt like is this real… this can’t be happening right now."
Lack of Faith in the System: She expresses feeling "naive" for initially trusting the anti-doping process. Her experience left her feeling as though the system was designed to "ban me" rather than seek the truth, finding the process "not fair". "It just wasn't at all what I thought it was and it didn't feel fair. It felt like they really just like wanted to ban me."
Inability to Explain the Source: Houlihan was unable to identify how the banned substance entered her system, contributing to her frustration. The fact that the testing process required her to find an explanation in one week and, when an extension was granted, for only 3 additional days, felt unreasonable.
Mental Health and Coping Mechanisms:
Prioritizing Mental Health: The last four years were spent taking care of herself and getting to a "mentally like healthier place." This involved therapy and a focus on what she could control. "I kind of just spent the last four years really like taking care of myself and trying to get myself to a a mentally like healthier place."
Chunking it Down: She adopted a strategy of taking things "one thing at a time," to make the situation more manageable. She learned that diving into the big picture was "so dark and overwhelming" and therefore focused on what she could control in the present.
Finding New Activities: Houlihan pursued other activities such as traveling, spending time with family, going back to school for a master’s degree, and trying new adventures to stay busy and move forward. She also did DoorDash and instacart to pay the bills, showing her determination to make a living when she could not run.
Return to Running and Future Outlook:
Stubbornness and Determination: She describes a "stubbornness" that fueled her decision not to let the ban define the end of her career. She decided she would not let anyone decide her life trajectory and will continue to run because she still loves it.
Unfinished Business: Houlihan feels she still has "a lot of potential and ability left to prove." This belief is a primary motivation for her return to the sport.
Accepting the Unknown: While acknowledging uncertainty about her performance level post-ban, she is committed to "at least try[ing]" to return to competitive form, wanting to know what would happen if she came back instead of always wondering "what if."
Focus on Her Own Goals: She is focused on seeing what she can do at 32 and beyond and is using the phrase “I’m going to try” to move forward, showing a clear intent to attempt to compete at an elite level once again.
Initial Return to Competition: Her first competition back is scheduled for February 1st at the Arkansas Invitational, a "lowkey" meet intended as a "rust buster" to get back into competing and qualify for US Indoor Championships. She states that she is going into the meet with "no expectations."
Views on Anti-Doping and Athlete Accountability:
Support for Clean Sport: While she supports anti-doping efforts, she criticizes the current testing procedures. Her point of view is that they’re too sensitive, fail to take into account potential contamination, and don't offer sufficient protections for clean athletes.
Athlete vs. Organization Accountability: Houlihan believes there needs to be more accountability on "both sides" in the anti-doping system, particularly in cases with lower levels of substances that could be due to contamination. She argues that the entire burden should not be on the athlete when the process is fallible. "I think there should be more accountability on both sides."
System Flaws: She states that they (organizations) are not "protecting clean athletes" and that they are "not holding themselves to the same standard that they are holding athletes to." She says that the banning process is "horrible" and that they need to do their "due diligence" and make sure they’re getting the decision right.
Skepticism and a Plea for Research: She says "don't blindly trust anything" and states, when referring to organizations like anti-doping, it’s easy to assume that “organizations are doing it the right way,” but as we’ve seen, that’s not always the case. Her point is to not distrust the athlete but also not blindly trust the organization. She emphasizes that people should "do their research."
Proposed Solutions: She suggests that anti-doping organizations or governing bodies, like USATF, should create their own line of tested, trusted supplements to alleviate the burden on athletes.
Dealing with Public Perception:
Frustration with Comparisons: Houlihan is infuriated by being compared to athletes who have knowingly cheated. She expresses "hatred" for the association, feeling it is unfair, since she is clear that she did not cheat. "I get so mad when I like I know that I'm now compared to people that did cheat and like I'm like lumped in with them and that like absolutely infuriates me."
Desire to be Understood: She is open to conversations with those who are open-minded and willing to ask questions, although she also admits that there is likely nothing she could say to change the minds of those who are close-minded. "I'm so down to have a conversation and try to answer questions." She states, "I wish I could show you the truth," and that "I want the truth more than anyone in the world" but that she "wasn’t able to figure out" the truth.
Trust is Earned: She doesn't expect "blind trust," and if people do trust her, she appreciates it. She also said that at the end of the day, "you just have to hopefully trust me or not trust me."
Focus on Self and Character: She aims to conduct herself in a way she is proud of and hopes that people will judge her based on her character and her actions. Regrets and Lessons Learned:
Telling Teammates Sooner: Houlihan expresses regret for not informing her teammates about the positive test earlier in the process, acknowledging that it caused undue stress when they found out right before the Olympic trials. "I feel horrible that they didn't know sooner and that's like when they had to they found out with like along with the public right like and that sucked."
Transparency: She also regrets not being more transparent about the entire process and perhaps making it more public to gain support. She wonders if she should have done that. Skipping the First Trial: She wonders if she should have been more patient and not skipped the first trial with AIU, as it may have had a different outcome. "Part of me wonders if we would have been more patient like would it have changed anything."
Personal Growth: Despite the negative experience, she feels she has grown into a "more well-rounded human being" through this process, but states she wishes it hadn't taken this to happen.
Dealing with Isolation & Building Friendships:
Exile: She states that it is “extremely lonely” to be “exiled” from a sport that was her entire life. She is grateful to family and friends who "kept [her] going" throughout the four years. Pulling Away: Houlihan admits that she "pulled away" to avoid making others feel uncomfortable. In hindsight, she believes that decision made her feel "more isolated."
Stronger Friendships: Houlihan states that through the whole process, her relationships with friends "are even stronger than they were before." She feels that she has grown "a ton" and has become a better friend.
The Phoenix Tattoo
Rebirth: She explains her new phoenix tattoo is meaningful because it represents her feeling that a part of her "died" when she was banned from the sport and she had to "start over" and build herself up. The phoenix represents her being "reborn" into a well-rounded human who has grown from the experience.
Harry Potter: She acknowledges that she is a huge fan of Harry Potter and uses the quote "what's coming will come and we'll meet it when it does" to focus on not getting ahead of herself. She states that she has used that quote throughout the last four years to stay grounded.
Conclusion:
Shelby Houlihan's interview provides a detailed look into the personal and professional impact of her doping ban. It highlights the complex and often challenging aspects of the anti-doping process, the importance of mental health support for athletes, and the power of resilience in the face of adversity. Her return to competition is not only a personal goal, but an attempt to reclaim her career on her own terms, all while navigating the often-harsh public perception that still clings to her.
Proposed Solutions: She suggests that anti-doping organizations or governing bodies, like USATF, should create their own line of tested, trusted supplements to alleviate the burden on athletes.
I will say, the fact she brought this up is curious, and suggests a possible read of her larger line of defense.
Shelby insists she "didn't cheat." This may in fact be a semi-"true" statement, inasmuch as she may be saying she didn't intend to cheat — she may have thought she was doing the thing every pro athlete does, which is supplementing up to just under the legal limit, like a racing team taking the specs on a car to a millimeter under regulations. She may well have taken a supplement that packed a stronger dose than she ever intended.
The fact that she raised the idea of an official, vetted line of supplements is interesting, but also makes me wonder why it's on her mind. (It's not a terrible idea, actually.)
At any rate, she's done her time and let's see how it goes. Would love to see one of these hosts on her media tour really put the screws to her, though.
There's currently a doping scandal brewing in ultrarunning land, and about 10 minutes into this video, Corrine Malcolm and Dylan Bowman bring up a good point, which is that a positive doping result should be immediately followed by a DNA test of same sample to make sure no samples got mixed up. (Is this already happening?)