Alumn of Ronan’s high school program here (LB Poly)— I’m guessing that it really helped that he didn’t get run into the ground as a teenager like so many CA HS kids do nowadays. Why be a high school phenom who’s injured & out at 17 when you could instead have a solid base to launch you into actually exceptional results later when your body is prepared?
Of course his progression is insane no matter what, but he was done a huge favor by not being burned to a crisp in HS.
Huh? I just really appreciate people like Thoughts Leader and Peach Pit because they actually contribute something intelligent to almost every thread they are on. Some people are just trolls or automatically disagree on principle.
If I write, "Connor Mantz is the best marathon runner we have..." or "UW has the deepest team in the mile of any school in the NCAA" there are trolls on this board who will go out of their way to deny it. It is pathological with some people. They have to be negative.
Luckily, there are still some posters who only disagree when they actually disagree. Other posters, even if there is nothing in a post that they disagree with, they downvote it anyway. They can't control it, I guess.
*Indoor 300+ tracks are as fast if not faster than outdoor tracks. Thus the IAAF counts them as an "outdoor" performance on the IAAF lists and in athlete's profiles.
*Historically people running mega fast times early in a year aren't much of a factor in championship-type races later. The college system produces a lot of these kinds of runners due to it's "eggs against a wall" training to chase qualifying times.
Silver medalist in steeple, not 1500
Steeple is a DEI event for people not talented enough for 1500 or 5000
10th in January, for a guy whose main focus this year is Worlds in mid-September. Same argument as Waskom, except somewhat more so since USATF/World Indoors don't have steeples.
They were three insanely fast American runners last year, but number four was still pretty up in the air. All it takes is one injury, wide open plus with his closing speed, Joe Waksom could probably do fairly well on the diamond league in any strategic races
No. A 300m indoor track with controlled conditions is not necessarily slower than an outdoor track. Not at all. And often faster.
Sure it is. Tighter turns and more turns. An outdoor track even with mediocre weather would be faster. With good weather it's one hell of a difference.
You have very clearly never run at Dempsey if you are saying this.
*Indoor 300+ tracks are as fast if not faster than outdoor tracks. Thus the IAAF counts them as an "outdoor" performance on the IAAF lists and in athlete's profiles.
*Historically people running mega fast times early in a year aren't much of a factor in championship-type races later. The college system produces a lot of these kinds of runners due to it's "eggs against a wall" training to chase qualifying times.
Silver medalist in steeple, not 1500
Steeple is a DEI event for people not talented enough for 1500 or 5000
Girma jogged a 3:29 flat for his first try at the 1500 beating Kerr in 2023. He would be a 3:28 guy if he wanted
Sure it is. Tighter turns and more turns. An outdoor track even with mediocre weather would be faster. With good weather it's one hell of a difference.
You have very clearly never run at Dempsey if you are saying this.
I definitely wouldn't say with mediocre weather outdoor would be faster but having raced in Dempsey I don't think I'd ever choose an indoor flat track over a 400m outdoor one.
Folks on here still talking about a 4 minute mile? WTF. That was accomplished in 1954 and you fools think that is something to write home about in 2025. That is like running a hand timed 10.2 for 100m in 2025. Nobody give a damn.
Folks on here still talking about a 4 minute mile? WTF. That was accomplished in 1954 and you fools think that is something to write home about in 2025. That is like running a hand timed 10.2 for 100m in 2025. Nobody give a damn.
Why don't you go out and run a 3:59 then, if you think it's nothing to write home about.
Folks on here still talking about a 4 minute mile? WTF. That was accomplished in 1954 and you fools think that is something to write home about in 2025. That is like running a hand timed 10.2 for 100m in 2025. Nobody give a damn.
Why don't you go out and run a 3:59 then, if you think it's nothing to write home about.
that time doesn't even qualify you for the DI nationals. If I was a miler and in my 20's in 2025, yeah I could do it. It is not anything to write home about. Its 2025. Not the 1950's or 1960's
It's GOT to be short. Or, if not, conversions need to be done away with. Why do people run slower outdoors so often?
college kids often run faster indoors because the ncaa indoors system incentivizes them to get into a time trial type setup and run as fast as possible. You have to be top 16 to qualify for nationals indoors which takes an insanely fast time these days. For outdoors the only time you have to run is a top 48 mark in your half of the country which is a pretty pedestrian pace for most of the top guys. No incentive to chase a time outdoors unless you are looking for a US/olympic/worlds standard.
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