(Today) House passes "Protection of Women and Girls in Sports Act": would ban men from women's sports

Great, so this solves the trans issues we've been having in this country right? There will be no more fearmongering about trans people, right? Right guys?

This is what we call "throwing babies with bath water."

Do you think it's worth imprisoning some innocent people if that leads to locking up more criminals?

The bill could be worded differently to exempt intersex individuals from the ban. But the Republicans are not willing to do that.

If they admit that a person born with Y chromosome and testes can be a woman, then their entire anti-trans ideology will collapse. So they have to erase intersex people from public consciousness and pretend they do not exist.

Yeah, their names are Alito and Thomas. The only two Justices who were against the injunction in BPJ v. West Virginia.

My God...you can't be this dumb.

You have to have a physical to play...You could also produce a birth cerificate...I can't believe people are this dumb.

Lol. It's kind of cute you actually believe that. Tells me you were brought up in a more sane time and you don't engage much with the new breed of "liberal".

The issue of males competing in girls' and women's school sports - and using girls' and women's locker rooms, showers, toilets at school and school sports events - affects everyone female attending US schools now and in the future who might have any interest in going out for girls' or women's school sports. It also affects every female student who might have cause to use school and stadium facilities meant for females like girls' and women's locker rooms, showers and toilets.

They are not a tiny population.

The issue of males in girls' and women's school sports - and in facilties such as girls' and women's locker rooms - affects many people of both sexes who have an interest in insuring fairness and safety for female student-athletes in girls' and women's schools sports - and safety, privacy, dignity and comfort for all female students in school facilities like locker rooms and loos where girls and women are at their most vulnerable - because we're parents, grandparents, siblings, aunts, uncles, coaches, teachers, school administrators, followers and supporters of our local school teams, general fans of women's and girls' school sports, and people who believe that the female half of the population attending US schools deserve the same level of fairness, equal opportunity and safety that males attending US schools get.

We are not a tiny population, either.

The top section of the quoted post and section 2 is ambiguous. A persons 'biology' and 'genetics' may not always agree, as is the case with intersex people. So are intersex people forced to compete in mens division?

The bottom section directly allows "males" to compete on girls teams if it does not displace a person from being on the team or competing (among other things). Which could very easily happen in the case of many smaller schools.

A perfect example of Dunning-Krueger effect exhibited here.

Not really. Some people are just clutching at straws to try and justify a "rational" objection to the bill, to avoid the cognitive dissonance of having to accept that they actually support men competing in women's sports based on ideology.

The Dems won’t filibuster this. They will threaten it and find a Senator to go on camera to do so, but they will use it as leverage to get something that they really want. My prediction is that they don’t mind sacrificing a very small number of transgender and intersex athletes in exchange for the GOP allowing Dreamers and their immediate families to stay in the USA as part of an immigration and border safety bill.

A genital exam cannot determine a person's "reproductive organs and genetics at birth."

Is Caster Semenya defined as a male or a female, according to this bill?

The Supreme Court takes up fewer than 1% of cases determined by the Circuit Courts. They do so if the issue involves a question on Constitution, or two different Circuit Courts make different decisions on the same issue.

Knowing that, no lawsuit will be filed against this law in a jurisdiction that is likely to uphold it. (Like the 5th Circuit.) So you are not likely to see any Circuit Court decision that disagrees with the 4th Circuit decision on BPJ v. West Virginia.

I kind of lost you there. The Gallup poll showed that 48% of democrats are opposed to transgender athletes competing against women. Gallup’s survey was based on a random sample of 1,011 interviews.How large was your sample of “I know a great deal of liberal minded people”?

Regarding democrats that are opposed to transgender athletes, the polls don’t measure how passionate they are about it. It’s likely that very few consider it to be a voting issue and would be fine for a democrat candidate to not even have an opinion.

Precisely. It's both Yes and No.

Y chromosomes but has a vagina.

Dude...Do you have a brain? You don't upend sports/society over less than 1% of the population...

Once Caster Semenya had begun going through puberty of adolescence, a genital exam wouldn't have been necessary for a competent HCP with eyes and ears to figure out that Caster is a male who most likely has a DSD.

If Caster Semenya had grown up and gone to school in the USA, any HCP worth his or her salt doing a standard sports physical on teenage Caster in order to clear Caster for high school or college sports would have been able to work out pretty quickly and easily that Semenya is most likely a male with a DSD from the following obvious, telltale signs:

1) the way that Semenya would have responded to the standard questions on the health history form for female student-athletes (and for female patients generally) that ask for the date of the first menstrual period, frequency and spacing of menstrual periods, length of menstrual periods, and menstrual problems. Given that most girls start having their periods in middle school (median age is 12), it's highly unusual for someone female to reach HS or college age without ever having had a single menstrual period.

2) the sound of teenage Semenya's voice

3) teenage Semenya's total lack of breast development

4) the shape of teenage Semenya's overall physique and especially the V shape of the torso - which can be seen quite well in this photo of teenage Caster at the beach in 2007 that Semenya chose to include in "The Race to Be Myself, " the memoir Semenya published in 2023.

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In 2000, well over 60% were opposed to gay marriage including about 40% who were strongly opposed so you're wrong to say "nobody cared".

Times changed rapidly and now it's bizarre to think it was any different, but people were genuinely "concerned" about it.

The point being that, in 2000 anyone in favor of gay marriage was "out of touch" by polling definitions, but in actual reality, were ahead of their time.