This thread had potential but the stupid bickering ruined it.
It’s a good workout and he’s obviously in shape, though hard to use as a strong indicator for chances at the AR since multiple other guys did the same workout too
This thread had potential but the stupid bickering ruined it.
It’s a good workout and he’s obviously in shape, though hard to use as a strong indicator for chances at the AR since multiple other guys did the same workout too
This thread had potential but the stupid bickering ruined it.
It’s a good workout and he’s obviously in shape, though hard to use as a strong indicator for chances at the AR since multiple other guys did the same workout too
I never said he was in AR shape I said he was in shape
lol bro why did you reply to my post three separate times. Here goes an entire essay:
My two (still current buddies) during the early spring ran a 10xk session with half the amount of rest as Klecker was prescribed. 10xk w/65-70s R (200m jog) on a 300m track with crappy surface, super tight turns. Although Klecker did have a tempo mile before and after, even to guys who have run low 28:x in the 10k, tempo miles feel like a jog.
Point I’m attempting is that Klecker had double the amount of rest than my two buddies. That’s how people are able to hit faster splits at altitude so it balances out, you increase the rest, even if you live and are acclimated to altitude. The roads they were running on appears to have no turns less than 100 degrees like on the 300m track my buddies ran on, and was relatively flat so again cancels out.
The OP is making a case that based off of this session alone, Klecker is in monster shape. The case I’m making is refuting that:
-the workout isn’t “monster shape”impressive. 10xk w/ 2’ R with tempo miles (tempo miles feel like a jog to elites) is not harder than 10xk with 200m jog in 65-70s R between on a short track with 100 degree turns. Klecker’s whole weeks have been really solid, but OP wasn’t making that case. We can’t just start using our own altitude adjustments with sessions and not take into account the rest.
-Klecker did indicate it was hard on Strava. If Klecker admits something is hard, that means it was HARD because dude will look like he’s dying when he’s comfortable.
-I will say Klecker’s weeks as a sum are very impressive by most standards. However, OP wasn’t arguing for this, they were making a case for this session alone. And I disagree with that. If they made a case for his past 2 months as a whole, I would agree that he has it within his range to hit the record.
-Also-one of those buddies ran 10 miles at 4:54 pace on a hilly dirt road the day before so it wasn’t a session they were “rested for” either.
People don't realize how competitive the NCAA truly is nowadays.
I had teammates in the NCAA run 28:40 off of similar workouts like 10xk in roughly 2:45 with a 90" rest. This was at sea level and on an indoor track so probably a difference of ~5 seconds a rep, maybe less with shorter rest. The best indicator for what you can do a half in is whatever pace you run for an 8-10 mile continuous Tempo at sea level. 10xk with a 2 minute rest is just vastly different than a half. How many times have you seen your conference rival rip a bunch of fast k's just to get smacked in Cross or on the track? Without lactate measurements and heart rate data it's hard to tell how hard someone really is going in a workout or what it could correlate to. He also labeled this as a VO2max effort workout in his Strava which doesn't seem right to me. Science says VO2max effort can be held for 8-10 minutes max while running so I doubt he was getting in 25+ minutes of work in at that pace.
He's way fitter than I'll ever be but I doubt this workout really indicates anything more accurately than a Tempo workout or hill repeats would. Hopefully he gets to the line healthy and gives the 1 hour barrier a scare.
lol bro why did you reply to my post three separate times. Here goes an entire essay:
My two (still current buddies) during the early spring ran a 10xk session with half the amount of rest as Klecker was prescribed. 10xk w/65-70s R (200m jog) on a 300m track with crappy surface, super tight turns. Although Klecker did have a tempo mile before and after, even to guys who have run low 28:x in the 10k, tempo miles feel like a jog.
Point I’m attempting is that Klecker had double the amount of rest than my two buddies. That’s how people are able to hit faster splits at altitude so it balances out, you increase the rest, even if you live and are acclimated to altitude. The roads they were running on appears to have no turns less than 100 degrees like on the 300m track my buddies ran on, and was relatively flat so again cancels out.
The OP is making a case that based off of this session alone, Klecker is in monster shape. The case I’m making is refuting that:
-the workout isn’t “monster shape”impressive. 10xk w/ 2’ R with tempo miles (tempo miles feel like a jog to elites) is not harder than 10xk with 200m jog in 65-70s R between on a short track with 100 degree turns. Klecker’s whole weeks have been really solid, but OP wasn’t making that case. We can’t just start using our own altitude adjustments with sessions and not take into account the rest.
-Klecker did indicate it was hard on Strava. If Klecker admits something is hard, that means it was HARD because dude will look like he’s dying when he’s comfortable.
-I will say Klecker’s weeks as a sum are very impressive by most standards. However, OP wasn’t arguing for this, they were making a case for this session alone. And I disagree with that. If they made a case for his past 2 months as a whole, I would agree that he has it within his range to hit the record.
-Also-one of those buddies ran 10 miles at 4:54 pace on a hilly dirt road the day before so it wasn’t a session they were “rested for” either.
People don't realize how competitive the NCAA truly is nowadays.
I had teammates in the NCAA run 28:40 off of similar workouts like 10xk in roughly 2:45 with a 90" rest. This was at sea level and on an indoor track so probably a difference of ~5 seconds a rep, maybe less with shorter rest. The best indicator for what you can do a half in is whatever pace you run for an 8-10 mile continuous Tempo at sea level. 10xk with a 2 minute rest is just vastly different than a half. How many times have you seen your conference rival rip a bunch of fast k's just to get smacked in Cross or on the track? Without lactate measurements and heart rate data it's hard to tell how hard someone really is going in a workout or what it could correlate to. He also labeled this as a VO2max effort workout in his Strava which doesn't seem right to me. Science says VO2max effort can be held for 8-10 minutes max while running so I doubt he was getting in 25+ minutes of work in at that pace.
He's way fitter than I'll ever be but I doubt this workout really indicates anything more accurately than a Tempo workout or hill repeats would. Hopefully he gets to the line healthy and gives the 1 hour barrier a scare.
Okay well it’s not smart to do every many indicator workouts now is it? So him doing this workout at this time is actually very smart of him
I had teammates in the NCAA run 28:40 off of similar workouts like 10xk in roughly 2:45 with a 90" rest. This was at sea level and on an indoor track so probably a difference of ~5 seconds a rep, maybe less with shorter rest. The best indicator for what you can do a half in is whatever pace you run for an 8-10 mile continuous Tempo at sea level. 10xk with a 2 minute rest is just vastly different than a half. How many times have you seen your conference rival rip a bunch of fast k's just to get smacked in Cross or on the track? Without lactate measurements and heart rate data it's hard to tell how hard someone really is going in a workout or what it could correlate to. He also labeled this as a VO2max effort workout in his Strava which doesn't seem right to me. Science says VO2max effort can be held for 8-10 minutes max while running so I doubt he was getting in 25+ minutes of work in at that pace.
He's way fitter than I'll ever be but I doubt this workout really indicates anything more accurately than a Tempo workout or hill repeats would. Hopefully he gets to the line healthy and gives the 1 hour barrier a scare.
Okay well it’s not smart to do every many indicator workouts now is it? So him doing this workout at this time is actually very smart of him
Also Klecker has run 27 flat for the 10k, but that’s cute that your friends ran 28 high
Klecker's a 12:54 5000m runner. He seems to have difficulty in most of his workouts at paces that don't totally impress others, but they are altitude and he then runs a lot faster in races. It's not about killing workouts. It's about getting accustomed to race pace. His coach would know what it takes to turn mid-12:50s into 60 flat or better for a half.
Klecker's a 12:54 5000m runner. He seems to have difficulty in most of his workouts at paces that don't totally impress others, but they are altitude and he then runs a lot faster in races. It's not about killing workouts. It's about getting accustomed to race pace. His coach would know what it takes to turn mid-12:50s into 60 flat or better for a half.
Agreed. He had difficulty with work 4 min mile Pace and it’s probably what hurt him really bad earlier this year. Half marathon pace is his exact wheelhouse.
Okay well it’s not smart to do every many indicator workouts now is it? So him doing this workout at this time is actually very smart of him
Also Klecker has run 27 flat for the 10k, but that’s cute that your friends ran 28 high
The point was that a 28 high guy could muscle through a similar workout and that we don't have the lactate/heart rate data to make any determination on how easy/hard the workout is for him physiologically. It's not a good race indicator workout beyond just the general knowledge that you're in very good shape. Who knows if 10xk in 2:44 at altitude equals out to 62 minutes or 59 minutes? Hopefully it means 59 minutes but the best person to ask when it comes to this would probably be someone like Canova who's coached a dozen 59 minute guys.
Also Klecker has run 27 flat for the 10k, but that’s cute that your friends ran 28 high
The point was that a 28 high guy could muscle through a similar workout and that we don't have the lactate/heart rate data to make any determination on how easy/hard the workout is for him physiologically. It's not a good race indicator workout beyond just the general knowledge that you're in very good shape. Who knows if 10xk in 2:44 at altitude equals out to 62 minutes or 59 minutes? Hopefully it means 59 minutes but the best person to ask when it comes to this would probably be someone like Canova who's coached a dozen 59 minute guys.
So you’re saying Klecker is in 28 high shape? My god I don’t think that at all
The point was that a 28 high guy could muscle through a similar workout and that we don't have the lactate/heart rate data to make any determination on how easy/hard the workout is for him physiologically. It's not a good race indicator workout beyond just the general knowledge that you're in very good shape. Who knows if 10xk in 2:44 at altitude equals out to 62 minutes or 59 minutes? Hopefully it means 59 minutes but the best person to ask when it comes to this would probably be someone like Canova who's coached a dozen 59 minute guys.
So you’re saying Klecker is in 28 high shape? My god I don’t think that at all
People on this website need to work on reading comprehension. Someone slower than him could do a similar workout and therefore it doesn't indicate all the much in regards to his half performance ≠ someone slower than him can do this workout so therfore he's not in good shape.
An entire training block is more indicative of performance than one workout with your total volume being half the total volume of your goal race.
So you’re saying Klecker is in 28 high shape? My god I don’t think that at all
People on this website need to work on reading comprehension. Someone slower than him could do a similar workout and therefore it doesn't indicate all the much in regards to his half performance ≠ someone slower than him can do this workout so therfore he's not in good shape.
An entire training block is more indicative of performance than one workout with your total volume being half the total volume of your goal race.
People on this website need to work on reading comprehension. Someone slower than him could do a similar workout and therefore it doesn't indicate all the much in regards to his half performance ≠ someone slower than him can do this workout so therfore he's not in good shape.
An entire training block is more indicative of performance than one workout with your total volume being half the total volume of your goal race.
Yeah Klecker’s training block has been GREAT
That's great to hear! The thread was in regards to a single workout. The name of it isn't "Klecker has put together 3 months of consistent training." Responding to LR Thread posts within 60 seconds is also clearly a sign of insanity.
That's great to hear! The thread was in regards to a single workout. The name of it isn't "Klecker has put together 3 months of consistent training." Responding to LR Thread posts within 60 seconds is also clearly a sign of insanity.
I mean this in the most respectful way possible, I’ve ready this guy’s posts (mother of god he is in shape) several times. It might be “socially acceptable” to agree with everything they’re saying and not argue.