I would say it’s borderline “common sense” that a lot of elite sub-1:44 guys COULD run 1:11 or faster if they bothered, but they don’t. It’s less impressive for a 145 pound 1:43/3:29 guy than a 6’4”/170 46.1-open guy like Arop, though.
It's very impressive, but why would you think, just because he's 6'4" and 170lbs, it's more impressive than Webb's times at the 800 and 10000? 1:11 is 5:25 pace. 27:34 is 4:27 pace.
Agreed. Actually, I'm surprised no one has mentioned that Coe, a fellow 46.xx / 1:41.xx man, could have likely blown this time out of the water on a training run. Even amongst the current 800m guys I'm sure Wanyonyi could as well with his XC background.
It's Coevett you are replying to. He feels threatened by a great performance by a black man. He has to show that white men are superior.
Yikes, buddy. You have a pretty weird fetish here -- though I give you credit for not capitalizing the "b" like I see in the Washington Post and NY Times. Ha ha.
Why are you always talking about fetishes, Coevett?
Anyway, well done in changing handles in under a minute.
It's very impressive, but why would you think, just because he's 6'4" and 170lbs, it's more impressive than Webb's times at the 800 and 10000? 1:11 is 5:25 pace. 27:34 is 4:27 pace.
Agreed. Actually, I'm surprised no one has mentioned that Coe, a fellow 46.xx / 1:41.xx man, could have likely blown this time out of the water on a training run. Even amongst the current 800m guys I'm sure Wanyonyi could as well with his XC background.
Coe ran 1500m just as well (WR in that too, and 2x OG champ). Cram was a 1500m guy (800 a secondary event). Ovett ran 5000m at a championship event (CG). All ran far higher mileage than Arop (if the 30m/week is true). It is impressive, not because it is fast (it isn't), but because it is far outside of his normal range. Coe, Cram and Ovett were all 1500m/Mile WR breakers, don't see Arop getting anywhere near that - and certainly not on 30miles/week. Wanyonyi is a different kettle of fish - don't want to get Coevett started!
This is where Snell didn't do the event any favors with his high mileage, as it isn't necessary for the 800m. A kid I coached (1.47 in HS) ran 40km (25 miles) per week in HS, ran a 4.04 equivalent mile off of that as well. Focused on 800m in College but was bumped to 70m/week. Never broke 1.46 as he didn't do the necessary speedwork to get faster (48.0 400, ran 48.5 in HS). Where Arop has run 46.1 blocks, and 45.5 relay, while working on enough endurance to run 2.13 for 1km. He is trying to run 49sec back to back - did 3 x 400 in 49 last year, this year 4x400 at that. Heck even Keely H has been working on her 400 - taking it from 56xx 5-6 years ago to 51.6 this year (and would not doubt - given Georgia Bell - that she could run about 4.00 or faster for 1500m).
It's not that impressive. 5:20 is almost like a jog for someone with his speed. 30 miles a week is also a lot of running if you spend it wisely.
Exactly. It is like if Usain Bolt in his prime ran a 2:25 marathon, it would be a joke for him, like a jog for a guy with his speed, right? So many of you are beyond ignorant.
Props for the effort, and I think it's cool that Arop did this, but nothing about the time is particularly impressive. My half PR is virtually identical, and I'd expect any world-class 800 runner to be at least as fast as me, even if he's more speed based. Doesn't really tell me anything about what he might be able to do for 1500.
This isn't meant to be negative at all, I wish more pros did stuff like this.
The race also had some elevation. Not sure what your half was like and likely you trained. Sounds like Arop just ran off a whim. It's very likely he could go much faster with specified training, though that's never guaranteed. Not meant to be a slight to you or Arop either.
Off the top of my head, Alan Webb went 47.xx and 27 low, only dabbling at these distances. I find this at least as impressive.
The top of your head is wrong.
Webb's lifetime 10,000 PR was 27:34.
I can't be bothered to look up his 400, but often when someone presents false information as fact there is a pattern so I don't tend toward believing you without a reference.
To be fair, that 27:34 would be 27-low in superspikes.
Arop has no distance background. He has run a 3:38 1500m, but that doesn't necessarily translate to the ability to run long distances well and I suspect that is the upper limit of a distance he could be competitive at. The other guys being mentioned are all guys who have done cross country and have distance backgrounds. Arop's half-marathon is impressive for Arop, but it wouldn't be for Peter Snell, just because of our expectations.
It's very impressive, but why would you think, just because he's 6'4" and 170lbs, it's more impressive than Webb's times at the 800 and 10000? 1:11 is 5:25 pace. 27:34 is 4:27 pace.
Unless I missed it, how far apart were Webb’s 800 and 10km done?
Arop has no distance background. He has run a 3:38 1500m, but that doesn't necessarily translate to the ability to run long distances well and I suspect that is the upper limit of a distance he could be competitive at. The other guys being mentioned are all guys who have done cross country and have distance backgrounds. Arop's half-marathon is impressive for Arop, but it wouldn't be for Peter Snell, just because of our expectations.
Seriously, anyone who is a 3:38 1500 guy shouldn't make anyone raise an eyebrow if they ran a 1:11 half. It's a commendable time for him but no big deal.
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He can probably break 4 min mile. This is not that surprising.
Exactly. Thread about nothing.
So it would have been better if the OP had mentioned that Arop ran 1:11 and then said, “this is not impressive at all, this is a big nothing, why even bother running it, end of thread.” Is that what people say when you tell them about your 18 minute 5K?
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