He's a far left extremist. Judging from your post, you've probably got more in common with him than you would care to admit.
This is just not true, if you take a minute to look at his social media posts, he's constantly praising Elon Musk, condemning atheism, and retweeting trad posts about Rome and how the woke mind virus is evil. He also went to Penn, which if you know anything about the Ivies, is up there with Princeton as probably the most conservative Ivy.
The fallacy you're falling into is that you think this is a left vs. right issue, when in fact many alt-right and trad-right groups hate the health insurance as much, if not more, than left-wing groups. Combine that with the fact that they tend to be more prone to using violence as a tool, and you end with a right-wing futurist assassinating a CEO.
This has been odd to me. They vote for it, but hate it? I suppose its possible, someone willing to murder probably doesn't think rationally.
Ratted out by a McDonald's wage slave. Capitalism strikes again. I know hindsight is 20/20 and all, but if I were on the run from the law and saw pictures of myself being circulated nationwide, I would probably invest in a disguise.
This is just not true, if you take a minute to look at his social media posts, he's constantly praising Elon Musk, condemning atheism, and retweeting trad posts about Rome and how the woke mind virus is evil. He also went to Penn, which if you know anything about the Ivies, is up there with Princeton as probably the most conservative Ivy.
The fallacy you're falling into is that you think this is a left vs. right issue, when in fact many alt-right and trad-right groups hate the health insurance as much, if not more, than left-wing groups. Combine that with the fact that they tend to be more prone to using violence as a tool, and you end with a right-wing futurist assassinating a CEO.
This has been odd to me. They vote for it, but hate it? I suppose its possible, someone willing to murder probably doesn't think rationally.
They vote for other things. I don't think getting rid of public healthcare is actually that high on the list anymore for most conservatives, now that the ACA has matured a bit and so many red voters rely on it.
FWIW, no idea how this guy voted, but if I had to guess, it was probably a vote for Trump because of Elon and DOGE, not because Trump has said he wants to get rid of Obamacare (which many voters do not know is the same as the ACA).
This is just not true, if you take a minute to look at his social media posts, he's constantly praising Elon Musk, condemning atheism, and retweeting trad posts about Rome and how the woke mind virus is evil. He also went to Penn, which if you know anything about the Ivies, is up there with Princeton as probably the most conservative Ivy.
The fallacy you're falling into is that you think this is a left vs. right issue, when in fact many alt-right and trad-right groups hate the health insurance as much, if not more, than left-wing groups. Combine that with the fact that they tend to be more prone to using violence as a tool, and you end with a right-wing futurist assassinating a CEO.
This has been odd to me. They vote for it, but hate it? I suppose its possible, someone willing to murder probably doesn't think rationally.
America suffers from the lack of a public option in health. Although it’s hard to bring that about irrespective of which party is in power, there is way more support for it on the left than the right.
In Obama’s first half of his first term, democrats controlled both house and senate and had filibuster-proof 60 democrat votes in be senate, yet they early on gave up on the public option because some democrats, especially Joe Lieberman, refused to cooperate.
This has been odd to me. They vote for it, but hate it? I suppose its possible, someone willing to murder probably doesn't think rationally.
They vote for other things. I don't think getting rid of public healthcare is actually that high on the list anymore for most conservatives, now that the ACA has matured a bit and so many red voters rely on it.
FWIW, no idea how this guy voted, but if I had to guess, it was probably a vote for Trump because of Elon and DOGE, not because Trump has said he wants to get rid of Obamacare (which many voters do not know is the same as the ACA).
Reading his tweets, I'd peg him as a Trump voter. People were so sure this was a revenge killing, but despite the fact that the CEO probably deserved it, it looks like just the act of a crazy guy who spent too much time in the conservative bubble.
There is a lot about this situation that still doesn't make sense to me, we will see what comes to light.
I don't care where he went to school or what his job was. I don't care what philosophy books he was reading on goodreads, or who he voted for, or what podcasts he listened to.
I don't care if he consumed anticapitalist material or right wing material in his teens and early twenties. I don't care because I don't think that actually matters to his story at all.
Here's what's important to me. He was 26 years old (a curious year to be mad at a healthcare official wouldn't you think?). And he lost loved ones to illness and most of all, that he had major back surgery.
No social media post, podcast, or political ideology book can impact a person, especially a young person more than the chickens of these horrible companies coming home to roost in your face. He might have been reading Ayn Rand when this back surgery happened, you think he cared about what she had to say when his insurance denied all his claims and left him to suffer in deep chronic physical pain?
Does it matter what Fox News or Joe Rogan says when your spouse is dying of cancer and you are waist deep in medical debt because insurance found loopholes to resist helping you? Does it matter that you are a registered libertarian when you have to watch your child suffer in pain even though you have insurance, because they won't pay for lifesaving drugs?
"that doesn't mean you kill people!" No, it doesn't. But spare me fake sympathy for a man who profited from the suffering of death of so many others. All these insurance execs know what they are doing. "that doesn't mean you kill people" goes both ways, no? Perhaps insurance execs would do well to remember that same platitude when deciding to deny claim after claim for money...
you don't have to be an avowed anticapitalist or even a leftist to know that something is horribly depraved about our healthcare system. You just have to be someone who has been on the other end of it.
They support a lot of lliberal positions if you don't tell them a democrat came up with them. They live in a news bubble, where they are moved like puppets by their fears, which are easily manipulated by the content drivers in that bubble.
That rant from Tucker Carlson about "postmodern architecture" is pretty revealing about who this guy is. First, he's completely ignorant about what postmodern architecture is. It's not "brutalism" or steel and glass office buildings of the kind all over the place. Second, I.M. Pei is not the builder of most towers in the United States. Third, I.M. Pei is not considered a postmodernist. In fact, he's considered a modernist, according to the Pritzker Prize in Architecture. The kinds of architecture he condemns are essentially the so-called Second International Style and Brutalism. Some of the key Brutalist buildings are actually gorgeous, but others are like what he says. Fourth, Carlson's rant, which sounds like he actually believes what he is saying about the dehumanizing character of office buildings and cubicles, suggests that he actually has a brain and is an anti-corporatist who makes his living as a corporatist and shill of various ideas that make him money but in which he does not believe at all, e.g. the greatness of Moscow architecture (socialist architecture being more soulless than even any American corporate architecture) or 2020 being stolen or whatever nonsense he shills.
I don't care where he went to school or what his job was. I don't care what philosophy books he was reading on goodreads, or who he voted for, or what podcasts he listened to.
I don't care if he consumed anticapitalist material or right wing material in his teens and early twenties. I don't care because I don't think that actually matters to his story at all.
Here's what's important to me. He was 26 years old (a curious year to be mad at a healthcare official wouldn't you think?). And he lost loved ones to illness and most of all, that he had major back surgery.
No social media post, podcast, or political ideology book can impact a person, especially a young person more than the chickens of these horrible companies coming home to roost in your face. He might have been reading Ayn Rand when this back surgery happened, you think he cared about what she had to say when his insurance denied all his claims and left him to suffer in deep chronic physical pain?
Does it matter what Fox News or Joe Rogan says when your spouse is dying of cancer and you are waist deep in medical debt because insurance found loopholes to resist helping you? Does it matter that you are a registered libertarian when you have to watch your child suffer in pain even though you have insurance, because they won't pay for lifesaving drugs?
"that doesn't mean you kill people!" No, it doesn't. But spare me fake sympathy for a man who profited from the suffering of death of so many others. All these insurance execs know what they are doing. "that doesn't mean you kill people" goes both ways, no? Perhaps insurance execs would do well to remember that same platitude when deciding to deny claim after claim for money...
you don't have to be an avowed anticapitalist or even a leftist to know that something is horribly depraved about our healthcare system. You just have to be someone who has been on the other end of it.
Want to add one final thing to this.
For those who say "this will change nothing", while I don't condone violence, this is factually not true.
The same day of the murder, Blue Cross Blue Shield announced the would no longer cover anesthesia if a surgery lasted too long. They walked that back days later when people started posting the CEO's face all over the internet. I'm not sure what it's going to take to get the health insurance industry to change it's evil ways. But it's clear they were spooked by what happened.
Here's what's important to me. He was 26 years old (a curious year to be mad at a healthcare official wouldn't you think?). And he lost loved ones to illness and most of all, thathe had major back surgery.
Who did he lose? Is that being reported or is that your guess?
I don't care where he went to school or what his job was. I don't care what philosophy books he was reading on goodreads, or who he voted for, or what podcasts he listened to.
I don't care if he consumed anticapitalist material or right wing material in his teens and early twenties. I don't care because I don't think that actually matters to his story at all.
Here's what's important to me. He was 26 years old (a curious year to be mad at a healthcare official wouldn't you think?). And he lost loved ones to illness and most of all, that he had major back surgery.
No social media post, podcast, or political ideology book can impact a person, especially a young person more than the chickens of these horrible companies coming home to roost in your face. He might have been reading Ayn Rand when this back surgery happened, you think he cared about what she had to say when his insurance denied all his claims and left him to suffer in deep chronic physical pain?
Does it matter what Fox News or Joe Rogan says when your spouse is dying of cancer and you are waist deep in medical debt because insurance found loopholes to resist helping you? Does it matter that you are a registered libertarian when you have to watch your child suffer in pain even though you have insurance, because they won't pay for lifesaving drugs?
"that doesn't mean you kill people!" No, it doesn't. But spare me fake sympathy for a man who profited from the suffering of death of so many others. All these insurance execs know what they are doing. "that doesn't mean you kill people" goes both ways, no? Perhaps insurance execs would do well to remember that same platitude when deciding to deny claim after claim for money...
you don't have to be an avowed anticapitalist or even a leftist to know that something is horribly depraved about our healthcare system. You just have to be someone who has been on the other end of it.
People should think about what could happen instead of just assume won't be me before they vote. It seems to me conservatives are hypocrites as soon as they run into trouble, but then they learn the leopards really do eat faces.
I don't have sympathy for the dead CEO, the world is better without parasites. In a just world, he'd have been in jail for murder, but that doesn't mean Mangione won't spend the rest of his life behind bars in New York. If he'd been forced into crippling debt by surgery or inability to get proper medical care, I get it maybe he felt like he wasn't going to have much of a life.
I kind of feel, even in an unjust system, justice should be for the courts to decide - or maybe that's because I believe the US isn't that unjust just yet, I'm conflicted on whether to think this guy was a hero or villain really.
He’ll be putting that rich boy education to use now dishing out cream corn to the inmates in the prison chow hall
Jury might acquit him - he may have prevented a lot more people from dying from denied healthcare coverage at the cost of just one life. I think you are right, but we shall see.
He’ll be putting that rich boy education to use now dishing out cream corn to the inmates in the prison chow hall
Jury might acquit him - he may have prevented a lot more people from dying from denied healthcare coverage at the cost of just one life. I think you are right, but we shall see.
No, that doesn’t happen. Jury members are filtered for bias and given clear instructions on what they are being asked to judge. One of those questions won’t be whether what he did was justifiable, only whether there was proof beyond reasonable doubt about what he did. He’s in for life.
Jury might acquit him - he may have prevented a lot more people from dying from denied healthcare coverage at the cost of just one life. I think you are right, but we shall see.
No, that doesn’t happen. Jury members are filtered for bias and given clear instructions on what they are being asked to judge. One of those questions won’t be whether what he did was justifiable, only whether there was proof beyond reasonable doubt about what he did. He’s in for life.
To be clear, what he did was not only unjustifiable but downright crazy. Just putting that down explicitly coz it seems mainstream on social to think of him as some kind of Robinhood.
Here's what's important to me. He was 26 years old (a curious year to be mad at a healthcare official wouldn't you think?). And he lost loved ones to illness and most of all, thathe had major back surgery.
Who did he lose? Is that being reported or is that your guess?
No, that doesn’t happen. Jury members are filtered for bias and given clear instructions on what they are being asked to judge. One of those questions won’t be whether what he did was justifiable, only whether there was proof beyond reasonable doubt about what he did. He’s in for life.
To be clear, what he did was not only unjustifiable but downright crazy. Just putting that down explicitly coz it seems mainstream on social to think of him as some kind of Robinhood.
If what he did was downright crazy, then the jury should find him not guilty by reason of insanity.
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