Confirmed: Reyes Estevez's 2:16:26 is fastest ever by a 48 year old

Coevett wrote:

rekrunner wrote:

This again? I must have corrected you a dozen times by now. What happens is that I fact-checked you with your own sources, while simultaneously condemning the doping, and you construe that as a shameful defense of doping.

Contrary to a vigorous defense, I agreed with the German court conviction of the East German coach (Bernd Dießner). What happened was you said "potentially lethal PEDs", and I fact-checked you with your own article which said "were not doping substances", and did not say "performance enhancing" nor "potentially lethal".

Regarding Juan Pineda, can we start from a common basis of facts? Again, I found it tragic that the 22-year old Ethiopian Abadi Hadis died from illness, like any young person who dies prematurely, and I condemned the Swedish-Eritrean athlete Robel Fsiha for his doping. But what exactly did Pineda do here, besides manage athletes, and what did I do that makes you think "shameful doping apologism"? If Pineda actually doped athletes, I would condemn it, but here he it looks like you want to find him guilty by association.

They are illegal in Germany because they are potentially lethal. One of the articles I brought up did mention this. He was clearly giving her the supplements to improve her performance, supplements that are illegal in Germany. Your quibbling over this minor point just serves/served to derail the importance of the fact that the coach of Beyer and Straub pressurized a 13 year old athlete to consume illegal supplements in the belief it would improve her performance. Any non-doping apologist would appreciate that.

As for Pineda, you are defending the indefensible again. Two young athletes, one busted and the other dying mysteriously over 48 hours with the same shady manager who had already been widely accused on this forum of being a front for Jama Aden, and you want to 'stick to the facts'. You're the guy who thinks a LetsRun poll in 2007 proves that El G was clean, and that EPO has been proven not to work by the fact that the Bylo-Russian marathon times only improved a little over Soviet times.

And the only guy who supports you is pretty much the Hoady freak. Look in the mirror at yourself Rekrunner.

BTW, you ridiculously complain about being called a doping apologist when you've posted over a million words here (literally) posting stuff like the above. Yet you regularly join in the bullying and slandering of myself as a 'racist' by the likes of Hoady (somebody who believes with a religious fervor that East Africans are more efficient because they 'require less energy').

In May, the 63-year-old running coach Bernd Dießner from Chemnitz was sentenced by the local district court to a fine of 4,500 euros for violating the drug law. He had placed drugs on the market that were not approved in Germany. Dießner looks after the marathon runner and World Cup participant Andre Pollmächer in Chemnitz, among others.
By Thomas Purschke |August 22, 2009

Until spring, Bernd Dießner was the state trainer of the Saxon Athletics Association and is now a paid trainer for the state association and the LAC Chemnitz club. Dießner has appealed against the verdict but does not want to comment on the allegations. He simply says that they are defamatory.
Jessica Heblack, now 17, was part of Bernd Dießner's training group until 2008, and he gave her tablets and ampoules when she was still 13. Drugs from Spain and Portugal, for example, are not even allowed in Germany, as she recently explained to the ZDF magazine "Frontal 21". Her trainer simply said, "It's good for you, take it."
The young 800-meter runner ultimately did not ask any further questions because she trusted her coach. Her parents, ambitious and proud of their daughter's talent, also initially trusted the trainer and did not take any action for a long time. It was only when their daughter developed a heart attack after a viral infection and doctors warned the parents about the dangers of the tablets and ampoules that they took action. In February 2008, Jessica's father reported trainer Bernd Dießner. On ZDF, the father explained that "after the competitions, everyone had to open their water bottles, open an ampoule and pour the stuff in."
An analysis by Heidelberg anti-doping expert Werner Franke revealed that the more than 40 preparations that Dießner had instructed the athletes to take were not doping agents, but rather medicines and highly concentrated nutritional supplements. As a layperson, the trainer could not estimate their effect, especially since they were illegal preparations that were not approved in Germany. This could not be tolerated, Franke ruled.
Even during the GDR era, Dießner coached internationally successful runners as a trainer at the Potsdam Army Sports Club, such as Ulrike Bruns, bronze medalist in the 1500 meters at the 1976 Olympic Games, and Olaf Beyer, the 1978 European 800 meter champion.
What is also interesting is that Dießner has maintained close contact with the Potsdam sports doctor Jochen Neubauer for many years. Neubauer was convicted in the GDR in 2000 for doping minors. Until last year, trainer Dießner sent his athletes to Neubauer, among others, for examinations. This is documented.
But Dießner's club LAC Chemnitz does not want to draw any consequences. Managing director Thomas Schönlebe, 1987 400 meter world champion for the GDR, only said that the club stands behind trainer Bernd Dießner. In the meantime, other former athletes of trainer Dießner have come forward and confirmed that they had previously received numerous tablets and ampoules from him.

André Pollmächers Trainer Bernd Dießner im Zwielicht
Der 63-jährige Lauftrainer Bernd Dießner aus Chemnitz wurde im Mai vom dortigen Amtsgericht zu einer Geldstrafe von 4500 Euro wegen des Verstoßes gegen das Arzneimittelgesetz verurteilt. Er habe Präparate in Verkehr gebracht, die in Deutschland nicht zugelassenen sind. Dießner betreut unter anderem in Chemnitz den Marathonläufer und WM-Teilnehmer Andre Pollmächer.

Bis zum Frühjahr war Bernd Dießner Landestrainer des Sächsischen Leichtathletikverbandes und ist heute als Honorar-Trainer für den Landesverband und den Verein LAC Chemnitz tätig. Dießner hat Einspruch gegen das Urteil eingelegt, will sich zu den Vorwürfen aber nicht äußern. Er sagt lediglich, dass es sich um Verleumdungen handele.
Die heute 17-jährige Jessica Heblack gehörte bis 2008 zur Trainingsgruppe von Bernd Dießner, der ihr bereits Tabletten und Ampullen gab, als sie noch 13 war. Mittel, etwa aus Spanien und Portugal, die in Deutschland gar nicht erlaubt sind, wie sie jüngst gegenüber dem ZDF-Magazin „Frontal 21“ erklärte. Ihr Trainer habe nur gesagt, „das ist gut für euch, nehmt es.“
Die junge 800-Meter-Läuferin hatte schließlich nicht weiter nachgefragt, weil sie ihrem Coach vertraut hatte. Auch die Eltern, ehrgeizig und stolz auf das Talent der Tochter, haben dem Trainer zunächst vertraut und lange nichts unternommen. Erst als ihre Tochter nach einer Virusinfektion am Herzen erkrankte, als Ärzte die Eltern vor den Gefahren der Tabletten und Ampullen warnten, handelten sie. Im Februar 2008 zeigte Jessicas Vater Trainer Bernd Dießner an. Im ZDF erklärte der Vater, dass „nach den Wettkämpfen alle ihre Trinkflasche aufmachen mussten, eine Ampulle geöffnet und das Zeug reingeschüttet wurde.“
Zwar stellte sich nach einer Analyse durch den Heidelberger Anti-Doping-Experten Werner Franke heraus, dass die mehr als 40 Präparate, die die Athleten von Dießner auf dessen Anweisung einnehmen sollten, keine Dopingmittel waren, aber Arzneimittel und hochkonzentrierte Nahrungsergänzungspräparate. Deren Wirkung könne der Trainer als Laie nicht abschätzen, zumal es sich um illegale Präparate handele, die in Deutschland keine Zulassung hätten. Das könne nicht geduldet werden, urteilte Franke.
Dießner betreute schon zu DDR-Zeiten als Trainer beim Armeesportklub Potsdam international erfolgreiche Läufer wie die Bronzemedaillengewinnerin bei den Olympischen Spielen 1976 über 1500 Meter Ulrike Bruns oder den Europameister über 800 Meter von 1978, Olaf Beyer.
Pikant ist zudem, dass Dießner seit vielen Jahren einen engen Kontakt zum Potsdamer Sportarzt Jochen Neubauer pflegt. Neubauer wurde 2000 wegen Minderjährigendopings in der DDR verurteilt. Bis zum vergangenen Jahr schickte Trainer Dießner seine Athleten zu Untersuchungen unter anderem zu Neubauer. Das ist belegt.
Doch Dießners Verein LAC Chemnitz will keine Konsequenzen ziehen, Geschäftsführer Thomas Schönlebe, 1987 400-Meter-Weltmeister für die DDR, sagte dazu nur, dass der Verein hinter Trainer Bernd Dießner stehe. Inzwischen haben sich noch weitere einstige Athleten von Trainer Dießner gemeldet und bestätigt, von ihm früher zahlreiche Tabletten und Ampullen erhalten zu haben.

Coevett wrote:

Rekrunner is the lowest of the low. However, there seems no barrier low enough for the mods to decide to ban him. Defending those who push illegal drugs onto 13-year-olds, and claiming that we have no right to judge a shady Spanish manager with countless busts on his hands, associations with Jama Aden, a child getting busted for EPO within 48 hours of another young runner dropping dead mysteriously.

The strange thing about Rekrunner is, I don't think he's being paid to do this. Nor does he have some kind of fetish about East African runners as Hoady clearly does.

What kind of low life would quibble over the description - "giving his 13 year-old athlete peds", or that the PEDs might have been potentially life threatening, with regards to Beyer's coach? A 13 year-old having a heart attack after being pressured into taking drugs illegal because of their dangers to health, and the Rekbot generated walls of text debating over the precise use of the term PED (from a man who thinks EPO is not a PED).

Has Hoady found an English language article about this published before any of my LetsRun posts? In fact, I don't think there exists one even today. Perhaps Athletics Illustrated should post an article on it?

Ghost1 wrote:

Reyes Estevez training details.

Every day is very similar. Two days a week I do changes of pace, working a lot on fartleks, and one day a week I do a long run, which is longer or shorter depending on the objective I have in the near future. What I do every day of the week is between an hour and a half and two hours of strength training. That's what I notice the most because when I stop is when the knee pain starts, the tendon pain... In the end, doing strength training with little recovery between exercises is almost a cardio session.

And how much can you accumulate in a long run?

When I'm preparing for a half marathon or a marathon I do try to do long runs, but I don't go over 26 or 27 kilometers. The long run I usually do once a week is between 20 and 22 kilometers.

What would you say is the secret or the key to your training routine?

It's difficult to compare because each athlete is different, but in my case, since I've been running since I was 9, I think it's definitely the strength training in the gym. It's what allows me to run. I see colleagues who have many injuries and I think that without good muscle quality you can't accumulate so many kilometres. Since I've been training like this I haven't had any injuries or discomfort.

And as for footwear, what shoes do you usually use? Are you in favour of using carbon-cushioned models on a daily basis?

In the case of HOKA we have the Rocket X 2 as a competition shoe, a model that I only use when I compete or for something very specific, like when I did a long run preparing for the Zaragoza Marathon. In general I run with the Clifton 9 or the Mach 5 depending on whether I'm going at a slower or faster pace.


Do you take great care of your diet and rest?

Of course. In fact, when I'm feeling really good I always think: "be careful." With high muscle tone you have a much higher risk of injury because you are no longer 25 years old. If you don't rest well you notice it, if you eat poorly you notice it... You have to take much more care of yourself. It's not that I weigh food or anything obsessive, but I do try to be well rested, well hydrated and well fed.
What challenges do you have for 2024?
To continue enjoying running, which is what I'm doing now. Professional sport was the track, the tension, the clock... Now I do races that I couldn't do. Things that motivate me. And for 2024... I don't know, a triathlon, a trail. I think now is the time to do these kinds of challenges.


Coevett wrote:

Rekrunner is the lowest of the low. However, there seems no barrier low enough for the mods to decide to ban him. Defending those who push illegal drugs onto 13-year-olds, and claiming that we have no right to judge a shady Spanish manager with countless busts on his hands, associations with Jama Aden, a child getting busted for EPO within 48 hours of another young runner dropping dead mysteriously.

The strange thing about Rekrunner is, I don't think he's being paid to do this. Nor does he have some kind of fetish about East African runners as Hoady clearly does.

What kind of low life would quibble over the description - "giving his 13 year-old athlete peds", or that the PEDs might have been potentially life threatening, with regards to Beyer's coach? A 13 year-old having a heart attack after being pressured into taking drugs illegal because of their dangers to health, and the Rekbot generated walls of text debating over the precise use of the term PED (from a man who thinks EPO is not a PED).

In May, the 63-year-old running coach Bernd Dießner from Chemnitz was sentenced by the local district court to a fine of 4,500 euros for violating the drug law. He had placed drugs on the market that were not approved in Germany. Dießner looks after the marathon runner and World Cup participant Andre Pollmächer in Chemnitz, among others.
By Thomas Purschke |August 22, 2009

Until spring, Bernd Dießner was the state trainer of the Saxon Athletics Association and is now a paid trainer for the state association and the LAC Chemnitz club. Dießner has appealed against the verdict but does not want to comment on the allegations. He simply says that they are defamatory.
Jessica Heblack, now 17, was part of Bernd Dießner's training group until 2008, and he gave her tablets and ampoules when she was still 13. Drugs from Spain and Portugal, for example, are not even allowed in Germany, as she recently explained to the ZDF magazine "Frontal 21". Her trainer simply said, "It's good for you, take it."
The young 800-meter runner ultimately did not ask any further questions because she trusted her coach. Her parents, ambitious and proud of their daughter's talent, also initially trusted the trainer and did not take any action for a long time. It was only when their daughter developed a heart attack after a viral infection and doctors warned the parents about the dangers of the tablets and ampoules that they took action. In February 2008, Jessica's father reported trainer Bernd Dießner. On ZDF, the father explained that "after the competitions, everyone had to open their water bottles, open an ampoule and pour the stuff in."
An analysis by Heidelberg anti-doping expert Werner Franke revealed that the more than 40 preparations that Dießner had instructed the athletes to take were not doping agents, but rather medicines and highly concentrated nutritional supplements. As a layperson, the trainer could not estimate their effect, especially since they were illegal preparations that were not approved in Germany. This could not be tolerated, Franke ruled.
Even during the GDR era, Dießner coached internationally successful runners as a trainer at the Potsdam Army Sports Club, such as Ulrike Bruns, bronze medalist in the 1500 meters at the 1976 Olympic Games, and Olaf Beyer, the 1978 European 800 meter champion.
What is also interesting is that Dießner has maintained close contact with the Potsdam sports doctor Jochen Neubauer for many years. Neubauer was convicted in the GDR in 2000 for doping minors. Until last year, trainer Dießner sent his athletes to Neubauer, among others, for examinations. This is documented.
But Dießner's club LAC Chemnitz does not want to draw any consequences. Managing director Thomas Schönlebe, 1987 400 meter world champion for the GDR, only said that the club stands behind trainer Bernd Dießner. In the meantime, other former athletes of trainer Dießner have come forward and confirmed that they had previously received numerous tablets and ampoules from him.

André Pollmächers Trainer Bernd Dießner im Zwielicht
Der 63-jährige Lauftrainer Bernd Dießner aus Chemnitz wurde im Mai vom dortigen Amtsgericht zu einer Geldstrafe von 4500 Euro wegen des Verstoßes gegen das Arzneimittelgesetz verurteilt. Er habe Präparate in Verkehr gebracht, die in Deutschland nicht zugelassenen sind. Dießner betreut unter anderem in Chemnitz den Marathonläufer und WM-Teilnehmer Andre Pollmächer.

Bis zum Frühjahr war Bernd Dießner Landestrainer des Sächsischen Leichtathletikverbandes und ist heute als Honorar-Trainer für den Landesverband und den Verein LAC Chemnitz tätig. Dießner hat Einspruch gegen das Urteil eingelegt, will sich zu den Vorwürfen aber nicht äußern. Er sagt lediglich, dass es sich um Verleumdungen handele.
Die heute 17-jährige Jessica Heblack gehörte bis 2008 zur Trainingsgruppe von Bernd Dießner, der ihr bereits Tabletten und Ampullen gab, als sie noch 13 war. Mittel, etwa aus Spanien und Portugal, die in Deutschland gar nicht erlaubt sind, wie sie jüngst gegenüber dem ZDF-Magazin „Frontal 21“ erklärte. Ihr Trainer habe nur gesagt, „das ist gut für euch, nehmt es.“
Die junge 800-Meter-Läuferin hatte schließlich nicht weiter nachgefragt, weil sie ihrem Coach vertraut hatte. Auch die Eltern, ehrgeizig und stolz auf das Talent der Tochter, haben dem Trainer zunächst vertraut und lange nichts unternommen. Erst als ihre Tochter nach einer Virusinfektion am Herzen erkrankte, als Ärzte die Eltern vor den Gefahren der Tabletten und Ampullen warnten, handelten sie. Im Februar 2008 zeigte Jessicas Vater Trainer Bernd Dießner an. Im ZDF erklärte der Vater, dass „nach den Wettkämpfen alle ihre Trinkflasche aufmachen mussten, eine Ampulle geöffnet und das Zeug reingeschüttet wurde.“
Zwar stellte sich nach einer Analyse durch den Heidelberger Anti-Doping-Experten Werner Franke heraus, dass die mehr als 40 Präparate, die die Athleten von Dießner auf dessen Anweisung einnehmen sollten, keine Dopingmittel waren, aber Arzneimittel und hochkonzentrierte Nahrungsergänzungspräparate. Deren Wirkung könne der Trainer als Laie nicht abschätzen, zumal es sich um illegale Präparate handele, die in Deutschland keine Zulassung hätten. Das könne nicht geduldet werden, urteilte Franke.
Dießner betreute schon zu DDR-Zeiten als Trainer beim Armeesportklub Potsdam international erfolgreiche Läufer wie die Bronzemedaillengewinnerin bei den Olympischen Spielen 1976 über 1500 Meter Ulrike Bruns oder den Europameister über 800 Meter von 1978, Olaf Beyer.
Pikant ist zudem, dass Dießner seit vielen Jahren einen engen Kontakt zum Potsdamer Sportarzt Jochen Neubauer pflegt. Neubauer wurde 2000 wegen Minderjährigendopings in der DDR verurteilt. Bis zum vergangenen Jahr schickte Trainer Dießner seine Athleten zu Untersuchungen unter anderem zu Neubauer. Das ist belegt.
Doch Dießners Verein LAC Chemnitz will keine Konsequenzen ziehen, Geschäftsführer Thomas Schönlebe, 1987 400-Meter-Weltmeister für die DDR, sagte dazu nur, dass der Verein hinter Trainer Bernd Dießner stehe. Inzwischen haben sich noch weitere einstige Athleten von Trainer Dießner gemeldet und bestätigt, von ihm früher zahlreiche Tabletten und Ampullen erhalten zu haben.

Has Hoady found an English language article about this published before any of my LetsRun posts? In fact, I don't think there exists one even today. Perhaps Athletics Illustrated should post an article on it?

rekrunner wrote:

The King of Physics wrote:

I followed your instruction to not call you rekbot so not sure how I am attacking you? I however retain my belief that Coevett and Armstrongliv and Khamis are both right about you being a doping apologist. It’s 3 against 1 so I go with the majority this time. Including me it’s now 4 on 1!

you need to demonstrate to us that you have the ability to draw conclusions front scanty data! I’m sorry rekrunner!

Are you suggesting that truths can be decided by popular vote? If I can find 4 people who say otherwise, the truth then flips, until others retaliate, and then the truth flops, ad infinitum?

No matter how many posters delude themselves and dupe others, the fact remains that I don't post and have never posted as "rekbot". "rekbot" attributes things to me which I don't say, nor agree with.