Okay, you're Islamic. That religion is well known for your thinking.
You've said almost nothing in this thread. You just don't like whatever your mind thinks an "atheist" is. The substance is beyond you. See above.
The "religion makes me feel bad and some people did bad things in the past WAAAAA" guy is accusing me of not saying anything... lol.
You've got at least 100 hours of reading to do if you want to speak on this subject without sounding like an idiot.
Again, you've said nothing, added nothing. Strawman, whataboutyou you stuff. You're even boring your fellow Christians or Islamics or whatever you're too scared to admit to being.
Sin is what separates people from God. Sin is what sends people to hell.
“For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.” Romans 6:23 NIV
Without Jesus Christ, there is no forgiveness of sins.
“For he has rescued us from the dominion of darkness and brought us into the kingdom of the Son he loves, in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.” Colossians 1:13-14 NIV
That's coming from the Bible - how do you know it's true? 🤔
No one has ever come back from dead to tell us that the Bible is true & there's a Heaven & Hell. 😉
The "religion makes me feel bad and some people did bad things in the past WAAAAA" guy is accusing me of not saying anything... lol.
You've got at least 100 hours of reading to do if you want to speak on this subject without sounding like an idiot.
Again, you've said nothing, added nothing. Strawman, whataboutyou you stuff. You're even boring your fellow Christians or Islamics or whatever you're too scared to admit to being.
I'm not Islamic either you nitwit.
I posted a video with a 210 IQ explaining the logic behind the existence of God.
Because you're stupid and completely uneducated on the topic you can't even grasp that God and religion aren't the same thing.
Again, you've said nothing, added nothing. Strawman, whataboutyou you stuff. You're even boring your fellow Christians or Islamics or whatever you're too scared to admit to being.
I'm not Islamic either you nitwit.
I posted a video with a 210 IQ explaining the logic behind the existence of God.
Because you're stupid and completely uneducated on the topic you can't even grasp that God and religion aren't the same thing.
You post like an Islamic. And you're still too weak to admit your religion, Atta.
This post was not about "the existence of God." It was about "Why do Christians believe you go to hell if you don't accept Jesus?"
Yes. Its axiomatic among Religionists that Atheists are lost souls who have no values. The ones I know are decent, law-abiding helpmates who believe in compassion, empathy, egalite and all basic morals without seeking heavenly rewards or seconday superstitions. Take responsibility and do the decent thing because it is right, not because some invisible entity *might* be judging you. And its kind of cool also not believing in Hell and some Devil thats part of the religion toxic package. Its a great vast universe; why want more? (The answers to the latter question are probably pretty interesting.)
You're lucky to live in a society that was founded on Judaeo-Christian morality.
Atheism has no moral foundation. Morality is entirely subjective on the atheist world view.
If the Nazis win World War 2 the Holocaust would be taught to have been morally good and people like you would have no way of knowing you were monsters.
This is the most basic, simplistic line of thought. Dehumanization can occur in any society. The Catholics in the Ustaze murdered 300,000 non-Catholics in the Balkans in the 20th Century. Where was their morality?
The reason I am kind to others and don’t hurt people or wish to see them hurt is not because I think I am under constant threat of eternal damnation but because I know we’re all in this together and want to give a good example of cooperation and decency to my fellow man. Try to find fault with that.
the original Christians had no concept of a Hell. That's the Norse goddess Hel. The Norse believed nearly everyone went to Hel's underworld, though that wasn't necessarily a bad place, if you read the stories of Baldur.
A select number of dead went to Valhalla, but only temporarily until they fight and are killed at Rägnarök. According to the Christian Snorri, that already happened and after the battle the Adam and Eve thing started.
My theory is that while the Christians were infiltrating the Norse peoples, which took centuries, they would tell people who didn't want to be Christian, okay, go to Hel. Cause that's where the Norse go.
Sin is what separates people from God. Sin is what sends people to hell.
“For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.” Romans 6:23 NIV
Without Jesus Christ, there is no forgiveness of sins.
“For he has rescued us from the dominion of darkness and brought us into the kingdom of the Son he loves, in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.” Colossians 1:13-14 NIV
That's coming from the Bible - how do you know it's true? 🤔
No one has ever come back from dead to tell us that the Bible is true & there's a Heaven & Hell. 😉
Sure they have.
“On the first day of the week, very early in the morning, the women took the spices they had prepared and went to the tomb. They found the stone rolled away from the tomb, but when they entered, they did not find the body of the Lord Jesus. While they were wondering about this, suddenly two men in clothes that gleamed like lightning stood beside them. In their fright the women bowed down with their faces to the ground, but the men said to them, “Why do you look for the living among the dead? He is not here; he has risen! Remember how he told you, while he was still with you in Galilee:” Luke 24:1-6 NIV
The reason I am kind to others and don’t hurt people or wish to see them hurt is not because I think I am under constant threat of eternal damnation but because I know we’re all in this together and want to give a good example of cooperation and decency to my fellow man. Try to find fault with that.
I’m glad you behave that way. But ultimately you can’t explain why it’s good, other than a personal preference. You can’t hold anyone else to that same standard. You have no frame of reference that can be applied to the world around you.
The reason I am kind to others and don’t hurt people or wish to see them hurt is not because I think I am under constant threat of eternal damnation but because I know we’re all in this together and want to give a good example of cooperation and decency to my fellow man. Try to find fault with that.
I’m glad you behave that way. But ultimately you can’t explain why it’s good, other than a personal preference. You can’t hold anyone else to that same standard. You have no frame of reference that can be applied to the world around you.
It’s evolutionary. Humans are a social species. Our nearest relatives, the great apes, also live in social groups. We need to get along to survive as a species. The course that set early humans apart was our developing ability to clearly communicate using a wider range of vocalizations than other apes which led to the development of spoken language.
Because humans need a group to survive, it’s wired in our genes to cooperate. There are people in the world who have never heard of the God of Abraham in any capacity but still get along with their kin and neighbors just fine.
Where we fail is when we fail to recognize that we’re all human. And that can happen in both theists and atheist settings. Though I would argue that places like the Soviet Union, North Korea or Cambodia under the Khmer Rouge demanded cult worship of the state and their figureheads.
That's coming from the Bible - how do you know it's true? 🤔
No one has ever come back from dead to tell us that the Bible is true & there's a Heaven & Hell. 😉
Sure they have.
“On the first day of the week, very early in the morning, the women took the spices they had prepared and went to the tomb. They found the stone rolled away from the tomb, but when they entered, they did not find the body of the Lord Jesus. While they were wondering about this, suddenly two men in clothes that gleamed like lightning stood beside them. In their fright the women bowed down with their faces to the ground, but the men said to them, “Why do you look for the living among the dead? He is not here; he has risen! Remember how he told you, while he was still with you in Galilee:” Luke 24:1-6 NIV
Luke was written 50 to 60 years after Jesus’ death by people who never knew him.
Flavius Josephus lived immediately after Jesus’ death and doesn’t mention anything in his autobiography about someone having been brought back to life, which would seem an incredible thing to not mention were it widely believed at the time.
I’m glad you behave that way. But ultimately you can’t explain why it’s good, other than a personal preference. You can’t hold anyone else to that same standard. You have no frame of reference that can be applied to the world around you.
It’s evolutionary. Humans are a social species. Our nearest relatives, the great apes, also live in social groups. We need to get along to survive as a species. The course that set early humans apart was our developing ability to clearly communicate using a wider range of vocalizations than other apes which led to the development of spoken language.
Because humans need a group to survive, it’s wired in our genes to cooperate. There are people in the world who have never heard of the God of Abraham in any capacity but still get along with their kin and neighbors just fine.
Where we fail is when we fail to recognize that we’re all human. And that can happen in both theists and atheist settings. Though I would argue that places like the Soviet Union, North Korea or Cambodia under the Khmer Rouge demanded cult worship of the state and their figureheads.
I don’t believe that we evolve virtue. There is no set of genetic traits that you can select for the cause people to behave in a kind, loving, and merciful way. Besides, history is replete with examples of people and civilizations who refused to live peacefully with their neighbors. I’m sure I don’t need to get into specifics. War and conflict is the norm, not the exception.
Besides, the evolutionary explanation does not answer the primary question. You might be able to explain how our species evolved to behave cooperatively, but you cannot tell me why I should behave in any particular way. And that explanation has no power to stop anyone from behaving in any way they choose towards me.
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“On the first day of the week, very early in the morning, the women took the spices they had prepared and went to the tomb. They found the stone rolled away from the tomb, but when they entered, they did not find the body of the Lord Jesus. While they were wondering about this, suddenly two men in clothes that gleamed like lightning stood beside them. In their fright the women bowed down with their faces to the ground, but the men said to them, “Why do you look for the living among the dead? He is not here; he has risen! Remember how he told you, while he was still with you in Galilee:” Luke 24:1-6 NIV
Luke was written 50 to 60 years after Jesus’ death by people who never knew him.
Flavius Josephus lived immediately after Jesus’ death and doesn’t mention anything in his autobiography about someone having been brought back to life, which would seem an incredible thing to not mention were it widely believed at the time.
From Josephus. (I also think you’re incorrect about Luke, but that is a different matter.)
“Now, there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to call him a man, for he was a doer of wonderful works-a teacher of such men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of the Jews, and many of the Gentiles. He was [the] Christ; (64) and when Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men amongst us, had condemned him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him, for he appeared to them alive again the third day, as the divine prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things concerning him; and the tribe of Christians, so named from are not extinct at this day.”
Sin is what separates people from God. Sin is what sends people to hell.
“For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.” Romans 6:23 NIV
Without Jesus Christ, there is no forgiveness of sins.
“For he has rescued us from the dominion of darkness and brought us into the kingdom of the Son he loves, in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.” Colossians 1:13-14 NIV
That's coming from the Bible - how do you know it's true? 🤔
No one has ever come back from dead to tell us that the Bible is true & there's a Heaven & Hell. 😉
It’s evolutionary. Humans are a social species. Our nearest relatives, the great apes, also live in social groups. We need to get along to survive as a species. The course that set early humans apart was our developing ability to clearly communicate using a wider range of vocalizations than other apes which led to the development of spoken language.
Because humans need a group to survive, it’s wired in our genes to cooperate. There are people in the world who have never heard of the God of Abraham in any capacity but still get along with their kin and neighbors just fine.
Where we fail is when we fail to recognize that we’re all human. And that can happen in both theists and atheist settings. Though I would argue that places like the Soviet Union, North Korea or Cambodia under the Khmer Rouge demanded cult worship of the state and their figureheads.
I don’t believe that we evolve virtue. There is no set of genetic traits that you can select for the cause people to behave in a kind, loving, and merciful way. Besides, history is replete with examples of people and civilizations who refused to live peacefully with their neighbors. I’m sure I don’t need to get into specifics. War and conflict is the norm, not the exception.
Besides, the evolutionary explanation does not answer the primary question. You might be able to explain how our species evolved to behave cooperatively, but you cannot tell me why I should behave in any particular way. And that explanation has no power to stop anyone from behaving in any way they choose towards me.
“Our group vs your group” yes and that same fighting is also found in other apes, where clans will fight for territory and resources. But you still need a group. Even a hermit will need to have some level of education and resources that they got from a group in order to survive.
Is it not in your own self interest to get along with the people around you? Start stealing from and attacking your neighbors and we’re going to remove you from the group. And there are sociopaths and damaged and broken people who fit that category. But they’re a small minority overall and they are removed from their social groups, through a combination of isolation and shunning.
If you agree that humans as a species need to work together to survive, then it’s clearly in our interest, and yours, to do that.
Luke was written 50 to 60 years after Jesus’ death by people who never knew him.
Flavius Josephus lived immediately after Jesus’ death and doesn’t mention anything in his autobiography about someone having been brought back to life, which would seem an incredible thing to not mention were it widely believed at the time.
From Josephus. (I also think you’re incorrect about Luke, but that is a different matter.)
“Now, there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to call him a man, for he was a doer of wonderful works-a teacher of such men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of the Jews, and many of the Gentiles. He was [the] Christ; (64) and when Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men amongst us, had condemned him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him, for he appeared to them alive again the third day, as the divine prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things concerning him; and the tribe of Christians, so named from are not extinct at this day.”
”Nearly all modern scholars reject the authenticity of this passage in its present form”
The writing style differs considerably from his other works and again, Josephus doesn’t mention this at all in his own autobiography. If just before your birth, Elvis had verifiably returned from the dead, wouldn’t you mention that somewhere as an impactful event to human society?
“On the first day of the week, very early in the morning, the women took the spices they had prepared and went to the tomb. They found the stone rolled away from the tomb, but when they entered, they did not find the body of the Lord Jesus. While they were wondering about this, suddenly two men in clothes that gleamed like lightning stood beside them. In their fright the women bowed down with their faces to the ground, but the men said to them, “Why do you look for the living among the dead? He is not here; he has risen! Remember how he told you, while he was still with you in Galilee:” Luke 24:1-6 NIV
Luke was written 50 to 60 years after Jesus’ death by people who never knew him.
Flavius Josephus lived immediately after Jesus’ death and doesn’t mention anything in his autobiography about someone having been brought back to life, which would seem an incredible thing to not mention were it widely believed at the time.
False. Luke was friends with Paul and of course you are leaving out the Holy Spirit and the power it holds.
In addition, Jesus is so powerful and could do things that you or I will never be able to completely understand or figure out on our best day.
In the past, and even today, even Pastors and Priests have disagreements over many biblical subjects and meanings. Some simply can't be explained. That's where the one word comes in to play that gives us some rope, it's called Faith.
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