Looks like RFK Jr. was right. Ozempic is causing heart shrinkage.

But the jab is safe and effective! Big pharma says so!

Eat better, exercise more, sleep better, drink water, and cut out the garbage. 99% of obesity issues can be solved if you simply took care of your body. The fact that people need to try to find a shortcut that could literally kill you rather than just taking care of yourself is insane. Use your brain people...

My local gym has Ozempic plastered all over inside.

Yes. If you are very fat, take it. It reduces your chances of major cardiovascular events. If it looks like your body is wasting away, perhaps it is. And stop taking it.

Harambe still pushing those lies!

New lies on the way:

Bird flu -- be afraid.

Also, RFK caused a measles outbreak! With a pic with fake measles!

Anyone still listening to Big Pharma/CDC/FDA just will never learn from experience

Oz is a massive Ozempic supporter and investor.

Kennedy is an Ozempic hater.

That relationship will be interesting..

You and Fauci....these nutz.

Smart man that he didn't take your advice and get the clot-shot. Amazing you take it as him getting the Wu-flu and barely being sick without the mRNA poison in his system as him being "stubborn". Whereas the intelligent people would take it as the Wu-flu wasn't even 1% as dangerous as advertised by the media.

Obese people already have more kids than attractive people, so I'm not sure what you're getting at. More sex doesn't lead to more kids when birth control or even just knowing how babies are made and having any interest besides offspring exists. Natural selection lost to the human brain a long time ago. As soon one is smart enough figure out the above, one is selected against. Unless your religion demands you procreate as much as possible

It would be interesting if it turns out that the Grinch went off Ozempic just before this happened:

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I'm curious, in your mind, how does drug development work? Who pays for the the initial studies if industry sponsored initial trial data isn't allowed?

What happens if you develop a disease where the treatment is too expensive? Is it okay to subsidize healthcare (either through public funding or insurance plans) only if a disease isn't the result of (or largely due to) behaviour?

If insurance or the government is subsidizng the cost of a medication, doesn't it make sense if it net reduces healthcare utilization, ultimately saving downstream costs? Or do you believe that you shouldn't be subsidizng treatments for heart attacks and strokes as well? If those people can't pay, should hospitals be turning them away?

I believe its important to have a healthy skepticism of the true benefit of new, expensive treatments. Clinical benefit is often small and cost-benfit arguments make a lot of sense. Thus far, GLP1RAs and SGLT2is seem to have shown a lot of beneift with great QALY / $ returns.

Finally, I was using "we" in a very well-established and common use of the word.

Looking at mouse studies on drugs for which we have patient data for tens of millions of patients...brilliant. Why not look to the clinical data, which is far more relevant than mouse data? Perhaps it's relevant that GLP drugs have indications for proven cardiac protective effects?

Mice lost 30% of their body weight in 21 days. Does that sound anything like what people experience on these drugs? The value of mouse models is limited, in particular once you have a HUGE body of human clinical data.

But evil pharma is out to get you, don't let science and reason get in your way...

You're clearly in sales. Someone didn't give you your bonus or perks at the national meeting and are upset that your function is dying a rapid death of irrelevance.

There’s an obvious solution to this.

Doctors prescribing Ozempic should also mandate the following:

That their patients puzzle for three hours, till their puzzler is sore.
Then they’ll think of something they hadn't before!
"Maybe Christmas," they think, "doesn't come from a store."
"Maybe Christmas...perhaps...means a little bit more!"

Compliance may be an issue, as it always is with behavioral modifications, but that single intervention has been demonstrated to increase heart size by 3x (p<0.05).

what is your logic in chiming in if you don't know anything about addiction - to display how stupid you are to everyone? a b*ch a$$ p*ssy like you'll get found missing more often than not, right? so why bother clamoring on with your nonsense

I read an article once that used brain scan information to make the claim that because sugar stimulates the same parts of the brain as cocaine, it must also be a dangerous drug. Of course the logic was backwards. Amazing that a leaf which provides no life-giving energy would stimulate the brain in a similar way to a piece of ripe fruit. Your logic is similar. Clearly the "interest" in sex is due to its propensity for creating more people. It doesn't just happen to be enjoyable. It, like eating, is a necessary part of survival. That is quite obvious and not at all lost to "the human brain." And those who are "smart enough" to be selected against aren't very smart at all. Apparently, they seem to have been consistently outsmarted by people following religious directions. Just imagine saying "once folks were smart enough to figure out they could continuously eat for pleasure and do liposuction, staple their stomachs, or even go bulimic, of course they would -- that is unless they were stoic monks whose shunning of earthly pleasures is a thoughtless religious obligation -- and a thoughtless one at that!"

If your argument is that mate selection is not based on attractiveness for the purposes of child-rearing but rather based primarily on the value of another for recreational sex, then I agree that was a growing trend in the 20th century, and has stayed strong into the 21st. There were many commercial benefits of shifting society in this direction, and a lot of folks (including pharmaceutical pushers) have made tremendous money from the change.

However it is a loosing game. It ends in high divorce rates, unhappy people, and children without proper families. Which is to say it is a blatantly destructive cultural phenomenon. And absent the continuous commercial value of it to a small part of the population, it would correct relatively quickly. Though the speed at which it corrects will depend on the incentives met by such people and whether or not they will feel the full force of their foolishness and in so doing can see their unhappiness and the failure of their children to succeed in society as a function chiefly of their own poor decisions.

Of course none of that has much bearing on the point I was making -- which is that in a marketplace for mates where attractiveness (broadly construed, and not as you perhaps think of it in terms of commercial vanity) one wants good information so that the marketplace allocates mates based on the intersection of preferences and facts rather than fictions. At least that way the people who are trying to play the game properly and constructively will be better equipped to see signal through noise. And like it or not, health and command over one's body (not the kind that comes from selfishly fleecing other healthier folks in your insurance pool for $900 injections) is among the more meaningful indicators of attractiveness.

The defense of self-destructive behavior on the grounds that it can be given a medicalized name is hardly a strong defense.

What's next? Classifying pedophiles as suffering from "child love syndrome" and then the folks who want them exiled become somehow ignorant and discriminatory? Actually, I think it is being tried.

Classifying undesirable behavior as a medical ailment is great for making other people pay for it and suffer it instead of letting the cost fall squarely on the shoulders of the person doing the behavior.

Why the outrage and veiled threats? Did a medical authority classify you or someone you love for their own selfish billing purposes?

Clever.

are you stupid or do you not understand what the word pedophile means? there is a difference between having desires and acting on them, no?