Is the 800M a sprint?

definitely not distance wrote:

The 100/200 are separate because those are the only events where you are truly sprinting right from the gun, little to no pacing involved.

Pace is almost everywhere wrote:

stop saying its a sprint wrote:

Jesus Christ, it's not a sprint. You pace yourself in an 800.

You also pace yourself in a 400. Common to see elite 400 specialists run the first 200 too fast and die badly.

ignorant post alert wrote:

definitely not distance wrote:

The 100/200 are separate because those are the only events where you are truly sprinting right from the gun, little to no pacing involved.

A properly run 200m is not all-out from the gun.

Even a proper 100m involves metering out effort differently than were the race 50/60m.

And yet, 50/100/200/400 are ALL SPRINTS.

PCRF-Guy wrote:

definitely not distance wrote:

you kinda do tho

No, you don’t.
For the 400m distance, more than 40% of the energy expended is aerobic. For the 800m, it’s easily 60%. that’s not sprinting.

This study had the cutoff (50-50 aerobic-anaerobic) at 1 minute of maximal effort. The 800 m efforts (your 1:40-2 minutes) was 67% aerobic.

Link:http://centrostudilombardia.com/wp-con...

definitely not distance wrote:

Not a sprint wrote:

He’s an experiment for you. Go race a 200m. That’s your sprinting speed. Now race an 800m and try run the first lap at your 200m speed. Report back and tell us if you still think an 800m is a sprint.

I have raced 200, 400, and 800. And the fact of matter is, some people split their first 200M in what would be a sprinting pace for others.

Spudland wrote:

definitely not distance wrote:

I have raced 200, 400, and 800. And the fact of matter is, some people split their first 200M in what would be a sprinting pace for others.

By the same logic, for many people, a word class 3000m race pace would be a sprint to many people that currently run. There are people that train who can't run a 30 second 200m. Does that make the 3000m a sprint?

FutureOldHead wrote:

PCRF-Guy wrote:

No, you don’t.
For the 400m distance, more than 40% of the energy expended is aerobic. For the 800m, it’s easily 60%. that’s not sprinting.

This study had the cutoff (50-50 aerobic-anaerobic) at 1 minute of maximal effort. The 800 m efforts (your 1:40-2 minutes) was 67% aerobic.

Link:http://centrostudilombardia.com/wp-con...

the athletes in this study had PRs in the range of 1:53 to 2:00. not exactly world class runners, or even a top flight high school runner these days. I don't think it reflects the reality of what goes on in the body of a low 1:40s.

Coe split 46 wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

If it is a sprint why don't the best sprinters race the distance? There is no Bolt or Lyles to be seen in the event. Why also have endurance athletes - Snell, Wottle, Coe, Ovett etc - excelled at it? Rudisha was not a sprinter. He never raced shorter distances - the 100 to 400 - the sprints.

Coe split 46 on the 4x400. Back then 45 was world class for 400m.

Armstronglivs wrote:

That's because you are distance runners who know nothing about running an 800.

bgbg wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

That's because you are distance runners who know nothing about running an 800.

There are plenty of knowledgeable athletes, former athletes and coaches here, who know a lot about the 800m.

Armstronglivs wrote:

When he won at Munich Wottle ran each 200 at a bit over 26 secs (to finish in 1:45.9). So his fastest "sprinted" 200 is only 26secs - which is what it would be if he was a "sprinter" (but a very slow one)?

Snell was a double Olympic 800m champion who beat guys who could run 46 for the 400. He could get nowhere near that. But he was on another plane over two laps, running 1:44 on grass 62 years ago (which is probably 1:42-mid/high with modern shoes and on modern tracks). He also trained like a marathon runner. Why would a "sprinter" do that?

Not a sprint wrote:

Yes there could be a debate on whether the 400m is a sprint or not. However, with the 800m it’s a middle distance race. Not a distance race, or a long distance race. It’s a middle distance race.

If most of your training is working on accelerating, starting, high end speed, form drills, plyometrics, agility, power movements in the weight room you’re training for sprinting.

The EMPHASIS in middle distance training is different.

DumbstrongIivs wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

When he won at Munich Wottle ran each 200 at a bit over 26 secs (to finish in 1:45.9). So his fastest "sprinted" 200 is only 26secs - which is what it would be if he was a "sprinter" (but a very slow one)?

Snell was a double Olympic 800m champion who beat guys who could run 46 for the 400. He could get nowhere near that. But he was on another plane over two laps, running 1:44 on grass 62 years ago (which is probably 1:42-mid/high with modern shoes and on modern tracks). He also trained like a marathon runner. Why would a "sprinter" do that?

You are both too ignorant and too f****ing stupid to understand that.

They give up too soon wrote:

Not a sprint wrote:

Yes there could be a debate on whether the 400m is a sprint or not. However, with the 800m it’s a middle distance race. Not a distance race, or a long distance race. It’s a middle distance race.

If most of your training is working on accelerating, starting, high end speed, form drills, plyometrics, agility, power movements in the weight room you’re training for sprinting.

The EMPHASIS in middle distance training is different.

Except many 400m specialists give up and don't fully develop their sprinting before moving up to the 800. By the way, a number of elite long distance runners these days do plyos, agility, power movement in the weight room and work on sprint technique. There is excellent transfer in efficient and powerful movement.